chapotraphouse

This honestly feels like recency bias. Undeniable that lots of the shit just works crew are awful. They will be reported and banned almost completely within days. The first couple of days of the other federation push was basically like this but it quieted down real quick once the banning started. It's been like 48 hours. Things changed fast and will continue to change fast. If they don't go back to largely how they were then yes definitely defed is the right answer.

Of course nobody here wants you or anyone to feel unsafe or harassed. I don't know what the solution to that is ever though short of defederation and completely locking down new signups too so its just who we got today no exceptions forever. I think that communities like that can have value but I don't think that's really ever been the spirit of Hexbear. Mods are definitely doing a good job here I think and it'll be cleaned up fast. In the meantime tools exist for you and others to block entire instances that should largely fix the issues you're having while you wait for the mods to clean things up.

Just my two cents of course

No

I agree, I'd prefer if we just federated with niche interest instances instead of the big ones

Please defederate us from the

I don't feel like it's really that big a deal. I can pretty much ignore them if I want.

I find our own users desperately more annoying since the federation as well

I'm relatively new here, so with that context in mind... I'm glad I was able to find out this place exists after it disappearing on but even so, opening to federation like this should not come at the cost of our trans comrades and comrades of color. I'm all for defeding from all but grad (and maybe lemmy.ml), as well as keeping applications in place for the foreseeable future. People are well aware of this place by now; Those that want to participate will find a way, or lurk as they learn.

I agree, I understand why some people enjoy federation but I've been double thinking a lot of the things I'd normally want to post here because I'm worried about getting some ignorant comment from an outside instance

While it was interesting for a little while, I think as even our most prolific posters have gotten tired of dealing with this shit, I think I correctly identified what was going to happen.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3548122

https://hexbear.net/comment/3548410

I don't quite know. It's on the one hand pretty obvious these people are complete assholes, but on the other bullying assholes is sort of what makes all this fun, and there's a lot of of other users we reach out to, and some, I assume, are good people.
I think mods should just use the banhammer much more freely, but that's been my wish since federation. Used to be almost any use of bigoted language got you banned, that's not the case anymore. It's pretty obvious we're back in the era of daily wreckers, and that requires more strict moderation. I think I'd like to see that, before I see anything else happen.

Speaking to the essays and sources: I agree, it's tiring. Perhaps we should use some effort as a community to make carrds on the most common stuff - Tianamen, Ukrainian Nazis, genocide in the Donbass, Ukraine losing the war, double genocide theory, that sort of stuff. I've oftentimes just linked to @[email protected]s carrd on xinjiang. It's a pretty good way to figure out if people are acting in good faith or nah.

Edit: I should also say that the most important thing is that Hexbear is an open and inclusive space, and what @[email protected] experienced is not ok. I'm not at all opposed to defederating, I personally would just like to see if there is another solution available beforehand, but I wanna be clear and say that I am not voting for or against anything with this post - I don't really think it's my place to decide to what extent the safe space that Hexbear has grown to be, should be managed.
Speaking as a member of the ND-community I gotta say the ableism these last few days have been tiring, but what really gets to me is users not being banned. I'm used to people using autistic as a slur or -tard as an insult, I'm just not used to these things being handled this leniently. There's a lot of SJW users that do some playground style "oh I didn't actually say the thing, so it doesn't count" which should just be an immediate ban. In general I think there's way too much debate pervetry around. I still wanna see if there is some other solution than defederation, but I understand if our queer comrades feel differently. I don't know if there been a lot of racism - apart from the very clearly racist image in their anti-lemmygrad comm - but like from individual users that is. It's not really for me to say either.

If we're taking account of opinions I'll throw my hat in with defederation. The entire value of Chapochat and hexbear was its existence as a chill place. I understand many people wanted to go back to and enjoy the old sub days but what hexbear was is completely different. I've been around for a long time and don't post much, gotta say I'm not a big fan of the changes.

Between threatening dms (which were generally a rare existence pre-federation) and overall trolling and toxicity, I really think we took a step back.

I don't see myself browsing much with federation being a thing.