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Did... did I just slide to a parallel universe? Do I get to meet Jerry O'Connell? What the hell is going on?!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

This reminds me of a manifesto I was reading for a proposed proletarian-run state. Comes from early 1900s, before the world went to shit because of the rise of fadcism. Particularly a few key points from their 25-point plan stood out to me:

  1. Abolition of unearned incomes [passive income, in today's terms]. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
  1. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
  1. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).
  1. We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
  1. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
  1. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
  1. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of land rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
  1. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

[...]

  1. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious citizen to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. [...] We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
  1. The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, [...]

Oops, wait, that's excerpted from The National Socialist Program

Yeah, it turns out Nazis have always been willing to use socialist rhetoric to appeal to the working class. They know what they're doing, but it's only a matter of time before what's determined to be for "the good of the workers" is coincidentally aligned with genocide and war and the greed of the ruling class..

TL;DR Nazis were always on board with taxing the rich... Until they didn't have any more competition, at which point it's back to oligarchy (and genocide, lots and lots of genocide).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sooooo, current day russia?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Ya, explains a lot tbh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Why are you reading Nazi manifestos? Most of those bullet points look terrible either way though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

You can increase the taxes. The hard part is making them pay it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

i love that shiteating grin on his face underneath this headline

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

It would be hilarious if trump did things that actually worked and became extremely well beloved by people because of it. Taking steps to reduce overhead to impact costs of doing business such as shop front rental coat's. If you cause healthy deflation, you reduce cost of construction materials, and rental costs, this directly impacts small businesses that will pass the savings on to their customers. This impacts prices more than tax cuts ever will. Taxes can only be reduced so much, prices can drop to rock bottom prices increasing your spending power to the point manufacturing has to kick up to keep up with demand! Just make everyone pay the same tax percentage. I have no money left over by the time my next paycheck hits typically, I pay 30%, if my job is required to keep the business running, the economy running, and to keep the work moving, then I am just as important as the CEO that decides what work the corporation will be doing. They should be paying 30% too. This is physics 101 if you need 3 gears to run a watch, then no gear is more important than any other because it won't run without just 1 of any of the gears! In terms of our government why is the biggest gears not providing the same input into the system? This is one thing that will stop it from ever being fixed. Reducing the load on the bigger gears and leaving it to the smaller gears messes up any geared system. You want even load across your entire machine. Until everyone is (apparently) forced to be a functioning member, this machine is going to keep having serious failures.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oh snap the broken clock was right for once.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He's talking about rich Dems / libs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

he's talking about The Jews

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

I've been hate listening to his podcast. A lot of what he says would be considered pretty eft leaning. But then a lot of it is conspiracy minded. Honestly Lauren to his podcast, it's pretty unbearable, but he hates the elites as much as anyone here. It probably goes some way to understanding why trump won

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

First time I agree with Steve Bannon on anything, ever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

And hell just froze over.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao it's like when the old white men become senile and slide to the right except Bannon is morally inverted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe he doesn't want to get targeted by the adjuster. I mean killing CEO and the rich is hot right now with the 99%.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

It's not polling all that well, tbh. Only hot with 41% across the income spectrum among youths, lower in every other demographic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Sounds promising, except the “wealthy” he’s considering are probably in the 80k-250k bracket lol

Unless they’re targeting multimillionaires+, it’s not gonna work. The other half of this is that there needs to be an open and transparent process for keeping tracking of how taxes are spent

Edit but since it’s a bunch of kleptocrats in govt now, what to think of that? I guess rich progressives/dems/libs better make sure they’re using the same loop holes to conserve wealth that the conservatives will, otherwise it’s just playing a game rigged to kill you.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 9 hours ago

Bannon is an anger salesmen. Anger salesmen don't sell you somene else's anger, though -- they can't. Instead, they package up your own anger, and sell it back to you.

Bannon sees the the reaction people are habing to CEOs right now, slapping a big ol' bow on it, and selling it back to people.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He's just talking nonsense though. There is zero chance Trump will tax the billionaires overall. They paid him off, they own him.

But possibly of he's feeling particularly pesky, he might target people he doesn't like and target only them and pretend he did something meritorious.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely correct. Trump already told them if they help get him re-elected, he'll cut their taxes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And when has Trump ever kept his promises?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

He will keep this one because in his mind it is a huge benefit to him. He's always hated the idea of having to pay any taxes at all.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 hours ago

I’ll tell you wants going on. He is saying the quiet part out loud.

He is admitting that conservatives have always known what would make the country better but refused to admit it, instead have always played “dumb” by claiming their free market and deregulation approach is what they honestly believe is best for the country.

I might be reading too much into it but imo this shows that decades of democrats playing fair and true to the process is why we got here. Because selfish people realized that they can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt and just ruin the government while pretending they don’t know any better.

Pretty evil, more than I actually expected from him tbh.

[–] [email protected] 171 points 13 hours ago (12 children)

"This is a 1932-type realignment, if we do this right,” Bannon explained. “Look at the demographics that got us here – black, Hispanic, white, working class, all of it. If we deliver for these people, and I mean deliver in a big way economically, then this is a coalition that could last for 50 years.”

He added that loyalty to “crony capitalism” and “tax breaks for the corporations” could “squander” a unique moment in history.

Making the economy better is how Hitler got into power too. The irony in saying this could be a 1932 style realignment is not lost on me. Trump has also said he wants to go after his political opponents and put them in prison. Also something Hitler did.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

To expand on this for the unaware: Hitler came back into power for his second term in 1932. His first term, similar to trumps, was rife with turmoil and political/administrative blunders. One of the first things he did, upon returning to power, was a German version of The New Deal. They massively invested in their country's infrastructure and provided tens of millions of jobs for the young working class, who had been suffering the worst unemployment crisis in an age. For the first time in their lives, young Germans had good jobs (with great benefits) and were contributing towards building a better, cleaner, safer Germany, all facilitated by "the national socialist party". This was the part of nazi history that actually included socialism, and it's how the nazi party duped an entire generation into becoming their foot soldiers. They actually delivered substantive, positive change for the people, allowed people to get comfortable with the new status quo while they further built propaganda machines, then turned that status quo into a carrot on a stick. Young nazi's were very fearful of a backslide, so when nazi propaganda started saying all these bad people were trying to take away their newfound financial freedom, it was very easy to convince these young, relatively ignorant, working class people to "defend" the country they proudly built with their own hands.

If the GOP did a 180° on all of their economic policy, of the last 60+ years, to follow a similar story arc, I would be extremely concerned. With how down-trodden our 3 youngest generations are, the conditions for an American copy of nazi Germany couldn't be more perfect than they are right now.

I'm not a historian. I just read a book on this subject recently. Feel free to correct or add to anything I got wrong/missed!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'd be interested to hear which book this was!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

If you appreciate books on history and this history specifically, check out what came right before it: Takeover: HITLER'S FINAL RISE TO POWER. It's about the final six months before Hitler got there. It was surprising to me how much of an accident of history his reign was when I'd long thought it had been inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Well, it started with Victor Frankl's Man's Search For Meaning, which is more about what happened after the coup, until nazi's downfall. Then, I read parts of The Third Reich by Thomas Childers, which prompted a documentary watch and I haven't gone much further than that. But both of those books are amazing and very informative. I can try to find that documentary too, if you're interested.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Steve Bandwagon strikes again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Populist gonna Populist.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 13 hours ago (9 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He knows exactly what he's doing. It's multiple groups of shitheads using each other to gain power, not just one big group of elites who are all trustworthy buddies.

My guess is that Musk will need to buy a merc army before he's able to establish his own nation in space. Might already have one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

There's a reason he's been having Tesla divert more resources to their Optimus robots. The man intends to have a machine army that he could use in a coup. We play our cards right and get behind cloning research, we could have a Grand Clone Army. 200,000 units now, with a million more well on the way. Begun, the Clone Wars have.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

IKR? I didn't think I'd ever agree with a word dude said

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago

He's talking about California and New York. You know, kind of like they did when Trump was president last time.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Rule of Acquisition #76: Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (8 children)

What the fuck is going on?

edit: this question was not literal

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

"four months in prison and he's already starting to sound like a god damn liberal. we should ban prisons before more people are indoctrinated by the left."

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