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Hexbear started during the 2020 BLM protests, where cops were using social media and internet presence to track down activists. They are still doing this, but with less vigor than when police stations were burning down.

This included things like using tattoos on naked bodies, etsy store receipts etc.

Just before the r/cth ban, there was also a problem with chasers and leering objectification, and steps were taken to reduce thirst-posting and the like.

These things combined means that people don't post selfies or direct identifying information. People post their pets and artwork, but I know I have to make a decision about where and when I post things to make things non-trivial for cops or random chuds. I feel like a unique pet name, breed, and rough region could be enough to track someone down.

Even so, I think I'm bad at it. I feel like if someone knew me and read everything on hexbear they could ID me pretty easily (and I know multiple people in person on hexbear, but we've never exchanged usernames).

Idk if there are any hard and fast rules beyond the selfies and direct ID though. I should burn this account.

Edit: removed reference to masculinity

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

This one hunna. I wish I could show you guys my pet and tell you all about him etc, he's the best thing in the world and there are so many cool facts to share about him and his type of what he is. I'm very proud of him. But alas, it is not to be.

Someone prolific and popular here posted about a cringe food item they saw IRL and I immediately knew which country they're from. Its hard to avoid not leaking your own info if you want to be a normal sociable and fun person on here.

I try to obfuscate by switching up my language here and there in certain ways but its not enough. my identity could be triangulated by matching metadata to posts linking out to eg youtube on the odd occasion i post a series of songs to the music comm in a given day. Fortunately other than framing Luigi for that time i shot the ceo I never really have to worry about threat vectors with the resources to ID me via that level of sophistication.

Remember to assess your threat model realistically. Problem is any random chud could recognise my pet without needing to be NSA tier, so while I dont have to be so paranoid as to avoid posting a series of music videos I'm watching, i do have to worry about shit like pets and tattoos and photos of my garden or of irl of any kind. I'm not a threat to anyone with power but my real world area does have natsocs with enough time on their hands to go walking in numbers masked up for shows of force.

I guess what I'm saying is be realistic, be reserved and dont get paralysed by the worst case scenario situations. Because we wouldn't even be posting at all if we engaged in truly serious activities, or thought one day we might do something funny irl.

Remember they caught dread pirate roberts off a fkn historic old question he asked on stack exchange probably made long before he had any idea his little coding project might potentially attract serious heat. Its probably too late for any of us to scrub accounts and get away with cool hijinx

If you really mite do a hardcore direct action one day then yes, be paranoid af. Otherwise just make sure a nazi tourist on the site cant ID you because they happen to live nearby and see you on your daily walks with your ferret.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The space was generally masc,

Is hexbear a femme space? If hexbear was masc, would that be really bad and perverted innately?

Sorry, I don't disagree with the whole post but this lil zinger is just hiding in there all innocuous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, but I think the combination of being 80% dudes and having any horny posting drove women away. Particularly the chasers. I assume that environment also lends itself to unwarranted dms.

I think it is still mostly masc, but the energy is different. Less posts about how "socialist/rebel woman is hot". It's still there, but subdued.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Masc energy", masc is when you have chasers and horny guys and dm harrassment?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It can be, but I feel like I'm being raileroaded here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because these statements are ascribing "horny and disrespectful and harrassing" as an innately "masculine" behavioural trait. Do masc lesbians do this too??? More broadly though what's the flipside of this, that "femme" is innately good and non thirsty and benevolent, so we must eradicate all "masc energy" in the space? Is this like when dunking was cishet white man behaviour?

A little was written about it here because this type of unserious, non-intersectional 'feminist' thought is not an uncommon sight, but it's very silly. It's just doing gender essentialism again at the end of it, like "masc" seems to actually mean "male" and "femme" actually means "female", and it's not cool. I mean, imagine deploying gender essentialism in the apparent interest of keeping the space safe for marginalised people?

If there's an alternate explanation for this that doesn't suck I'd love to hear it, sincerely, but all I see is denoting specific behaviours as innately gendered and describing one binary gender as benevolent and non-oppressive and good, and the other as violent and oppressive and bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

OK, I'm not saying that's innate. I'm saying that that's what the environment of r/cth was and used a shorthand for it that is pretty well understood. I can change the post to reflect this if you'd like.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You used "masc" as a shorthand for 'pornbrained and DM sexual harrassment'? I am being sincere when I ask: do you understand the problem with that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Idk, its 2 am here and I'm trying to go to sleep, but now I have to finish this conversation.

Yes, ok. What term should I use? You know the kind of dudebro energy I mean, I'm sure. I will change my original post

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not asking you to stay up, you can take time to respond. I'm not gonna declare war because you got sleep. Literally please go to bed instead of listening to me yap, I can wait.

Why does unwanted forward sexual behaviour need a gender tag, though? Why should it be ascribed to a gender tag anyway? You can never, ever make the generalisation "all people of a gender do this". Plus, "dudebro" and "masc" are not synonyms. Does this mean that transmasc users were involved too? Even just saying that cth had too much leering, disrespectful objectification would have done. I sincerely do not understand the compulsion to ascribe behaviours to entire categories of people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Edited og post

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Skeleton at the bottom of the ocean meme

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

that is exactly how I feel che-smile

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My biggest opsec is just deleting 90% of my post before I actually post them.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There's definitely value in spiking your posts with false data to obscure who you are and where you live. Lie about where you live or travel to, what car you drive or where you work/have worked. If you think you've revealed a bit too much about yourself, burn your account and make a new one, or better yet, gradually move from one account to another so it's harder for people to track you to your new acct. Blur out backgrounds in photos you share that may have things like licence plates on cars, shop names or street signs. Think critically about how a drip feed of PII (personally identifiable information) may not be enough to pin you as one individual, but enough yo narrow it to, say, 100 or so who may go to a certain bar or venue, or live on a certain street. A sufficiently motivated chud may think that those odds are good enough to shift from online to offline work and potential harrassment.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For example, I once was a roadie for Pink Floyd, I drive a maserati and live at Mawson base in Antarctica where I research the interactions of penguin guano on endemic moss populations.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I used to delete all my comments on occassion. Nowadays I just add false information about my self at times

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is the way.

Am I 20? Am I 40? Do I live in NYC or Arkansas? Who's to say?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I mean there's definitely multiple power users here who have posted more than enough to be identified by a moderately determined adversary. I think the de facto rule really is just that users decide their own level of privacy, and the no-selfies policy is mostly useless.

Anyone who has ever posted any kind of payment service handle to /c/mutual_aid could be identified by the feds if they had a reason, for example.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i genuinely hope the cops identify and charge me with terrorism for my hexbear posts because you know what, I think this site DOES need a "stereotypical Hexbear" kind of person that'll haunt their minds and I'm willing to be that...stay tuned folks

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hexbear needs its "r/antiwork mod on Jesse Watters" moment

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
  1. Use a VPN
  2. Limit personal identifying content that can be cross referenced. Example: I just got a plane ticket on Sunday to go to Bora Bora.
  3. Never post self identifying material. Example: here's my new tattoo!
  4. If you post something time related that can lead to 2 or 3, change details. Basically, lie. Example: last week I went to Bora Bora. Really it was Fiji 3 months ago.
  5. Don't give them a reason to want to investigate you. There's plenty of Left leaning folk (some of whom probably are pretty far up in corporate and/or government spaces) who quite frankly aren't worth going after. The time and energy it would take to round up people who just think differently, the opposition doesn't have (most likely).
  6. Change your profile on the reg. Personally I don't do this, or do I? (SEE #4)
  7. Go periods of time without posting. The more you post, the more you will likely have a signature in the way you post, what you post about, and who you interact with.
  8. Delete posts (not sure how effective this is but if I feel like my posts are rearing too close to #2 or #3 I'll go back and delete them).

Anyhow I just booked my trip to Uzbekistan via cruise liner where I intend on instigating the revolution by introducing vegan pilaf. During this time I will only post Kelly emoji to convey my progress. o7 o7 o7

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Go periods of time without posting. The more you post, the more you will likely have a signature in the way you post, what you post about, and who you interact with.

Nice try mods, you will never make me touch grass.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Go periods of time without posting.

the-deserter I have no superiors to relieve me of my duty. You bulldozed them all to a mass grave for trying to free humanity.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Afaik the implementation of Lemmy this is a real problem due to federation to other instances, you can post things here that end up somewhere you don't want them to and if you delete them it's not certain if they will also be deleted there as well. It's been stated for a long time but it's one or the other really, you can't have a decentralized social media without federation, and you can't have full privacy with federation. I might very likely be wrong about the specifics of this, but this should be also taken in account when considering to post something more personal.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is correct. Anyone can implement the activity pub specification (what Lemmy uses for federation) without implementing the delete parts. Sending delete to a federated site is nothing more than a "pretty please remove this"

Edit: to be fair, anything put publicly on the internet can be downloaded and saved forever, its just that activity pub also pushes (compared to normally where things are only stored on one entity's servers) stuff out to who knows which servers

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Electronic Frontier Foundation has a good collection of articles and guides that are not just practical but teach you how to think about your own particular situation: Surveillance Self-Defense

First thing is you need to think about your "threat model". Which means what information are you trying to protect, and why? There is no universally "best" way to do anything. Tactics that might increase security/privacy in one situation might impair it in another. Like if you are trying to avoid getting doxxed by random internet people who take a dislike to you that's one thing, but if you are trying to avoid government (which government(s)?) spying that's another. If you are trying to avoid government spying, is it to avoid legal prosecution, or to avoid covert interference in your organizing (ala COINTELPRO)? They can be totally different kinds of surveillance so you need to have different strategies to avoid them.

Also need to consider that making an extremely elaborate or onerous plan that you will never bother to actually enact, or requires a high degree of technical skill or perfect execution might not be practical. They might interfere with your purpose too much.

This page covers the basics of how to think about your own goals, fears and priorities. It's very generic but is a good overview. It's really key to think about this ongoing to avoid falling into the trap of following advise that might be perfectly reasonable for another person but counter productive for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My pets are the cutest but my op sec game is too strong

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Good post and should be stickied.

The culture generally leans towards anonymity but there's some leeway for how much you personally.fond necessary. I've got a record, anything I post here really doesnt matter, it's posting consistent with my arrest record. But I still try to.be vague and keep a general culture of relative anonymity going on. I've described my tattoos but I'd never post a picture of them, I'll post pics of the inside of my house but not my house. If you go through my lists it's pretty easy to tell.ehat city I live in but I've never explicitly said so. I'd say probably my piss poor level of personal security is thr bare minimum and I'm a bit internationally sloppy cause if feds are looking me up.its gonna get a we'll established file and it's a waste of their time. Others, maybe not so much. Just be cautious, there's people out here to whom jail is less of a big deal. Be a cautious cat as standard practice.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first rule of hexbear is to not talk about hexbear. peppino-square-up

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know I'm bad about it. I delete my account every couple of months but I bet a dedicated person could track me down based on my posts.

Though I'll say that in the real world I've gotten more guff for not having a mainstream social media account than for openly expressing my communist views. Even lost a job offer over it once (though I consider that a bullet dodged) because I had shared with them my linkdin acct that only has my resume and they wanted to check a Facebook acct that I've never had.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Imo it's good to raze the account every year or so. I've been lazy and have let this one go for way too long

The thing that creeps me out most now is the availability to feed all our posts into LLMs. The tech exists now most likely to tie burner accounts together and form a more complete profile, so it's not just what you put in an individual account but all of them. Not for chuds but for cops. I'm not even doing anything illegal but if at any point there's a commie roundup, well...

I think I'm gonna join the bureaucracy next for another layer of opsec.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I delete my account whenever I make a really bad comment and want to avoid the heat, or when I smoked too much weed and got paranoid.

So about every 3 months.

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