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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Officers showed up at the home and found a man struggling with a woman over a knife. An officer opened fire and struck the man, killing him at the scene. Only later did they discover the man who was killed lived at the home and was struggling to fend off the woman who had broken into his home.

Police say Brandon Durham, 43, had called 911 and reported multiple people outside his home shooting, then told the 911 operator that someone had entered his home through the front and back doors and he was locking himself in the bathroom.

He also told the 911 operator that he was home with his 15-year-old daughter, according to police. Officers kicked open the door after arriving on scene and hearing someone screaming as well as damage to vehicles parked outside the property, police said.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I remember reading about major police fuck ups in 2000 when I was first really getting online. It never gets easier to look at these miserable excuses of policing. Best part is that the officer involved in this shooting was born at roughly the same time I became aware of this shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

There's no better place to be a murdering son of a bitch than one's local police force. And that's a hundred fold now that's it's going to be the new Gestapo

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Attacking the wrong person aside, opening fire during a knife attack (not directed towards cops) seems like a huge overreaction.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

Also, person in undies vs a person in a hoodie and jacket. Who looks like they just got woken up out of bed vs was outside a moment ago.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Shoot first, investigate ourselves later. The lesson here is don't call the police? There's a good chance that you'll overpower the attacker than be rescued by undertrained police.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I always laughed at these house signs that say: we don't call 911 and two revolvers. Now i think they are actually right, just for the wrong reasons.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

In 2025 you have to protect yourself from police in America. They could come to the wrong door and bust in and try to kill you. You have a right to defend your life and that includes killing a police officer.

The next president has already said he's going to give them blanket immunity. That means cops can do anything they want now

Forget about 911, buy a gun and train often. The police will not only not protect you, they will kill you even if you are innocent

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly this is the reality of it, he was targeted simply because he was a man attacked by a woman and society is often as misandrist as it is misogynistic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Hating men is okay and if you point it out you're an abusive rapist.

We shouldn't judge groups of people based on the actions of a minority, unless it's men.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

"After Brandon Durham falls to the floor the officer shoots him five more times."

Sounds like a fucking execution.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

When seconds matter... The cops are minutes away

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

He would've been better off if they were hours away!

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guy had some violent criminals outside his house trying to break in and hurt him and his family. Calls the cops. Now he's got an extra violent criminal with a gun who breaks into his house and kills him. Why does anyone call the cops anymore???

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (10 children)

What else do you do? I get the point but who else deals with that if you can't? At a certain point you have to roll those dice right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

You separate and control both people. You use your police h2h training to deescalate the situation, soak them both in pepper spray or taze them both while you sort out the facts. You get stabbed doing your duty to serve and protect civilians because you knew that is what you signed up for and why police are heroes.......

Oh wait.......

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Wouldn't you rather kill a cop than die by cop?
Anyone busting down my door is getting 600 rounds per minute from a 120 round magazine. I don't give a fuck who they are. My finger will continue to wiggle until there are no rounds left. They can always identify them by their badge or their fingerprints

Police are not here to protect you, they are here to protect the property of the wealthy. They will kill you without a second thought

Arm the left and Make Nazis Afraid Again.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (14 children)

But a gun, learn to use it, call a lawyer then cops. Or gamble on the cops and going fisticuffs with a knife like this poor guy did.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago

Typical day on the job for police then

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Person that looks like they were just outside, with crime hoodie and all? Probably not the suspect. Some guy half naked in his evening wear? POW POW POW!!!

Shit like this will be the police's downfall, because once the people don't trust you, you're not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago

you’re not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.

Corporate has asked you to describe the difference between these two pictures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Life is cheap in the USA.

[–] [email protected] 238 points 1 day ago (21 children)

As a person of color, we do not trust the police.

This is why.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

As a person of personhood, this is likely the best default.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited, but I don't trust the police for the same reasons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited

Weird time to bring up jerking off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I don't trust anyone who could shoot me and get away with it.

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