Attacking the wrong person aside, opening fire during a knife attack (not directed towards cops) seems like a huge overreaction.
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2024
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Shoot first, investigate ourselves later. The lesson here is don't call the police? There's a good chance that you'll overpower the attacker than be rescued by undertrained police.
I always laughed at these house signs that say: we don't call 911 and two revolvers. Now i think they are actually right, just for the wrong reasons.
"After Brandon Durham falls to the floor the officer shoots him five more times."
Sounds like a fucking execution.
Sadly this is the reality of it, he was targeted simply because he was a man attacked by a woman and society is often as misandrist as it is misogynistic.
When seconds matter... The cops are minutes away
Guy had some violent criminals outside his house trying to break in and hurt him and his family. Calls the cops. Now he's got an extra violent criminal with a gun who breaks into his house and kills him. Why does anyone call the cops anymore???
What else do you do? I get the point but who else deals with that if you can't? At a certain point you have to roll those dice right?
You separate and control both people. You use your police h2h training to deescalate the situation, soak them both in pepper spray or taze them both while you sort out the facts. You get stabbed doing your duty to serve and protect civilians because you knew that is what you signed up for and why police are heroes.......
Oh wait.......
But a gun, learn to use it, call a lawyer then cops. Or gamble on the cops and going fisticuffs with a knife like this poor guy did.
a bunch of guys breaking into your house and you with one gun will probably have the same outcome
especially if you store it safely, locked in a safe, unloaded, ammo separate
a bunch of guys breaking into your house and you with one gun
Welcome to the argument for standard capacity magazines.
Then store it safely, fully loaded, with one in the chamber.
I thought that you are supposed to leave the chamber empty, preventing accidental discharge?
Fair question. Not pulling the trigger prevents accidental discharge.
Having one in chamber saves time. It's one less thing to do in a stressful situation when every millisecond counts. If it's got a safety, train with it engaged and flip it off as part of any exercise.
that's not how responsible gun owners are meant to store it
I agree that cops aren't responsible gun owners.
Uh, no. Firearms are nearly pointless if they cannot be used.
Store it loaded in a quick release safe or hidden in such a manner that it will not be accidentally accessed.
Personally I blast a monolog sequence from an old mobster movie and then fire blank rounds of a tommy gun
Basically same, but I don't have blanks...
Hopefully you're firing at least one variety of blanks.
You're rooting for people who break and enter in occupied dwellings instead of a person defending their home, on a post about the cops showing up and shooting the homeowner who was struggling against a home invader attacking them with a knife? Ooooook.
And then give them to the count of 10 to get their ugly, yellow, no-good keister off my property, before I pump their guts full of lead.
Typical day on the job for police then
Person that looks like they were just outside, with crime hoodie and all? Probably not the suspect. Some guy half naked in his evening wear? POW POW POW!!!
Shit like this will be the police's downfall, because once the people don't trust you, you're not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.
you’re not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.
Corporate has asked you to describe the difference between these two pictures.
Life is cheap in the USA.
Dipshit probably on paid leave
He won't even get that. They'll play it off like he had to make a call before the knife killed someone and that it's unfortunate the homeowner got shot. Even though you can clearly see the knife is in her hand....
The police don't do anything wrong this was proven when they investigated themselves....
As a person of color, we do not trust the police.
This is why.
As a person of personhood, this is likely the best default.
I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited, but I don't trust the police for the same reasons.
I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited
Weird time to bring up jerking off.
About a year ago I had a very disruptive neighbor. Every night he would bring tons of women over and play loud music, and yell over the music with the people he had over.
Then, in the daytime he had a girlfriend, who worked nights. Every day she'd come over and they'd yell for hours and hours. She had a legitimate reason to be angry at him. He was the father of his child. He never married her, and in the 6 months he'd been a father he got 2 other bitches pregnant. Her words, not mine. On top of that, he was calling off work to invite MORE bitches over, and making up the lost money by pawning her jewelry. Which only got him $23 because the pawn dealer ripped him off. She says it was real gold, real diamonds. And the jeweler convinced him to sell for $23.
On top of that, he wouldn't even let her and his son move in with him because it would "clash with his business". Essentially he was just giving excuse after excuse after excuse.
Why she didn't just leave him, and sue for child support, I don't know. He was clearly using her. He didn't love her. They fought daily. Neither of them were happy. And as they fought, the baby cried and cried and cried.
I asked him to keep it down. Others in the building asked the same. His indoor voice was louder than most peoples "onstage without a microphone" voice.
In short, for 8 months it was a daily struggle to sleep.
But I only complained to the landlord. Never the police. When my sister found out, she couldn't imagine what I meant by "This isn't something to be resolved by the police".
My sister is a Karen. A real bad one. She wants all her problems to go away with a complaint from her to someone else.
But she never stops to put herself in others shoes. I restrain myself from saying I "hated" that neighbor. Only because I reserve hate to be powerful and meaningful. So I don't hate him. However I do think he was highly inconsiderate not only to his girlfriend/son, but also all around him at any given time.
A real "main character" complex.
Still though, I didn't call the police, because I didn't feel his inconsiderate behavior prompted a risk of death.
IF (any that's a big IF), If police could be trusted to arrive, handle citizen resolution in a fair non-violent way, then yes, I'd have called the cops. I certainly felt it was a job they SHOU LD do. It just didn't feel like a job they COULD be trusted to do.
And none of my family/white friends could understand why. All of my black friends did.
I understand your motivations, but I think that guy would still have found his tires running flat on a regular basis. And his power going out. And any other petty things I could think of to make his life worse.
I hate that guy, whether you say it or not. He is bringing unwanted, unloved children into a world where they will always be at least a step behind their peers, and without any understanding of why their world is so hard. And the reason is THAT GUY. So fuck him. He deserves what he gets.
Partying all night every night, a kid would "disturb his business"?
Yeah I'm pretty sure this was some sort of low level hustler of some sort of stimulants, whatever might be the go-to wherever the earlier commenter is from.
I really wouldn't suggest making people like that annoyed in small ways like that, because they would never connect it to being a consequence of them acting that way and it would only make them more mad, probably making him more likely to harm others.
So... while it would be cathartic, remember to think twice.
I really wouldn't suggest making people like that annoyed in small ways like that, because they would **never** connect it to being a consequence of them acting that way and it would only make them more mad, probably making him more likely to harm others.
Very good point. Someone like this has a shitty day it isn’t because they’re a shitty person in their opinion. They take it out on others.
Exactly.
Deflate his tires and he might just abuse the people he's already abusing even more.
The escalation is what I'm welcoming.
I never call the police for shit like that either. Some big animal is standing in the road? Sure. Car accident? Sure. If they’re already at the scene I’ll talk to them.
I’ve never seen anything get better in a heated situation because the cops showed up.
I grew up in complete chaos though. I seen my dad get beat half to death by them when I was a kid, followed a few years later by my brother being tackled and kicked at the bottom of our stairs.
My brother was a beast though, so I’m not sure anyone else could have controlled him that night.
He somehow survived being the beast he was and he’s a good father and a contributing member of society these days. Better than me actually.
As a European, I am sorry that the US police is incompetent and dangerous like this that you cannot trust them to handle these kind of situations and have to be afraid that someone gets killed. In other countries this would be standard case to call the police for, although they could only handle the disturbance aspect if there is no direct indication of violence or abuse
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an officer-involved shooting occurred
Only the officer was involved in shooting.
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