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To many historians, the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century CE has always been viewed as the end of the ancient world and the onset of the Middle Ages, often improperly called the Dark Ages, despite Petrarch's assertion. Since much of the west had already fallen by the middle of the 5th century CE, when a writer speaks of the fall of the empire, he or she generally refers to the fall of the city of Rome. Although historians generally agree on the year of the fall, 476 CE, and its consequences for western civilization, they often disagree on its causes.

Unlike the fall of earlier empires such as the Assyrian and Persian, Rome did not succumb to either war or revolution. On the last day of the empire, a barbarian member of the Germanic tribe Siri and former commander in the Roman army entered the city unopposed. The one-time military and financial power of the Mediterranean was unable to resist. Odovacar easily dethroned the sixteen-year-old emperor Romulus Augustalus, a person he viewed as posing no threat.

Romulus had recently been named emperor by his father, the Roman commander Orestes, who had overthrown the western emperor Julius Nepos. With his entrance into the city, Odovacar became the head of the only part that remained of the once great west: the peninsula of Italy. By the time he entered the city, the Roman control of Britain, Spain, Gaul, and North Africa had already been lost, in the latter three cases to the Goths and Vandals. Odovacar immediately contacted the eastern emperor Zeno and informed him that he would not accept that title of emperor. Zeno could do little but accept this decision. In fact, to ensure there would be no confusion, Odovacar returned to Constantinople the imperial vestments, diadem, and purple cloak of the emperor.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

First.

I got mad at an argument with some friends. I was being skeptical, to a degree i think is entirely justified, about Starfield and what Bethesda's usual bullshit is going to look like now that MSFT is their overlord, and somehow it got in to walled gardens and right to repair, and one of them just straight up started mocking me and it's like fuck you, man, all this consolidation of megacorps and their domination of all cultural products is bad for everyone, and Beth has fucked up every game launch in the last twenty years, and Starfield looks extremely generic with none of the cool lore that makes Elder Scrolls so fun, or even the nostalgia for better days that makes their fallout games tolerable. The game looks like corporate memphis science fiction and they're getting totally get hype after I thought gamers decided that we were collectively going to stop buying in to the hype bullshit years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Would you classify that as a half measure?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I made the mistake of reading a reddit-logo thread about Ukraine. They were very enthusiastically informing each other that Russia did horrible things in Siberia. They did not seem aware or in any way concerned that the nation that did those things was overthrown over a century ago, and that the entire royal family of that nation was rounded up and shot. Nor do they seem to care that the nation that overthrew that nation has itself ceased to exist. These things are irrelevant, because... uh...

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this house, we believe:

Greeks are light skinned turks

There is no difference between Albanians and Serbians

The Romanovs are direct descends of Caesar

Western Ukraine is occupied Polish territory

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

It's glorious.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

pulling up to the strip poker game wearing 18 pairs of pants and 46 shirts

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Feel a lot of resentment at how many of my friendships would just fall apart (and have) if I stopped being the one making all the fucking effort. got one single solitary friend locally who actually puts in comparable effort. there's more nuance to it than that (atomization, overwork, blah blah fucking blah) but I feel too heated today to get into the nitty gritty of that or to be charitable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Help I just replied to a lemmeee.eeeee thread now I feel gross

How does one appropriately clean oneself after such a debased act

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Have to delete your account and start again with one of the 25 spare accounts we're encouraged to create in the terms of service agreement.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The JBP video where he says commandingly "Go to Albania!" is so funny to me

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thinking about the day 0 of pre-federation when a lemmygrad user did a bit where they used tankie and woke interchangably and confused thousands of users lmao

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Romanism dosen't work it fails every time it's tried

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Zizek Ramaswany. That’s the joke.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like I didn't get to enjoy things when I was young and now that I'm in a better life situation where I have room to enjoy things I'm too old to enjoy the things I missed out on.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Odovacar immediately contacted the eastern emperor Zeno and informed him that he would not accept that title of emperor. Zeno could do little but accept this decision. In fact, to ensure there would be no confusion, Odovacar returned to Constantinople the imperial vestments, diadem, and purple cloak of the emperor.

What a fucking baller move. Saying "nah I'm not taking over your empire, I'm destroying it"

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God I miss the Soviet Union

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Before federation i would have thought this was a struggle session lol

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when I was in reddit-logo sometime in '18, and people were all saying how terrible that chapotraphouse subreddit was. And I just had to go visit out of curiousity, expecting to see gross pics or teenager angst.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But why is this Baldur character guarding a gate?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hot historical take; the whole "well technically the Roman Empire survived for another 1000 years" has always struck me as the height of cope, especially after the Byzantine Iconoclasm

If you took a random Roman from 200 AD and transported him to 1300 AD Constantinople, they'd be like "wtf"

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Funny that Odovacer and his successors kept roman culture and systems in place. This didn't change until the Justinian Conquests turned Italy into a wasteland and then did nothing to improve it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There's an argument to be made that the western Roman state continued to exist until Justinian killed it, and that the traditional dating of Romulus Augustulus' reign marking the end of the Western Roman empire is really just historians' unconscious acceptance of Justinian's propaganda.

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