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Leopards Ate My Face
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Don't think it won't happen to you. When the incoming wave of Ukrainian refugees hits Europe, the populists that have already been growing in popularity will make their move. With the U.S. fallen, a lot of money and attention has been freed up to destabilize other countries.
It's happening in Italy. It's happening in the Netherlands. It's happening in France. If you think you are ready for it, remember that we thought the same.
Don't blame it on populism. Populism is just people objecting to the ruling elite and a rigged economy. It's right wing populism that always gets paired with nationalism and xenophobia to breed fascism. Left wing populists don't have the same tendency.
That's fair. I short-handed because I'm only familiar with the right wing populist parties that are currently rising in popularity, so I figured the right wing part was implied. Are there any left wing populist parties rising right now in Europe?
Aside from being aware of the rightward motion I'm not really well versed on European politics. The best we have in the US is the Working Family's party that primarily works within the Democratic party because of our two party system.
I know Spain has done some interesting things with restructuring corporations to put workers in charge. I'm not familiar with the political landscape that made that possible.
Women: he told you he's taking your rights away and is already letting you die in hospital waiting rooms
Tradesman: he told you overtime and unions are gone
Veterans: he told you he hates you, pissed all over the sanctity of Arlington and is gutting the VA
Hispanics: he told you you and yours are getting deported and doesn't care if you're legal or not
Those on social security, Medicare, Medicaid or ACA: he told you he's cutting/gutting these
Anyone with ties to Palestine: he told you he's going to help Israel finish the job
The one silver lining is that Trump voters are about to face reality in a way would never otherwise have to deal with. I really wish that took the edge off, but it really doesn't. The impacts of this election will be horrific to everyone, even those who will profit in the short term from the graft and corruption.
They'll still blame it on literally everyone else.
Even when their daughter has an ectopic pregnancy and they can't find help.
Everyone says the other side is duped, I don't know how more clear he could be.
We need a solution to this, because honestly the US just lost its democracy.
It's 1933.
Any ideas on ways out of this?
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Baffling. We already rejected this guy once when he had less baggage. His first term was objectively terrible.
So, I guess America has kings now, because Trump will never see another day in court for his crimes, and he's not going to prison.
I just don't have the strength anymore. I'm teetering on the brink of agreeing with the accelerationists and just letting it happen. The faster Trump ruins the country, the sooner we can rebuild it while we still have time to enjoy it.
Progressives always win in the long run. The more years you look at in history, the clearer that becomes. The slowness and the backslides are often excruciating though.
Sure, but look at Germany (where I'm from) the Nazis really threw the social and cultural development back for several decades to come. And created the basis for a conservative narrow mindset that is very present today. I realize that our current government is probably one of the most progressive I will ever experience in my life and that is pretty depressing because my ideas for a better society are hardly supported by their politics.
The rich and powerful have been immune for a long time, even if they face any punishments its miniscule fines and slaps on the wrist, usually far beyond when the crime actual happens, when a peasant would be just locked away immediately. its just mask off now.
It's not a choice of letting him ruin the country...they got the trifecta with this election.
Only that rarely what happens. Things just stay broken and don't magically reassemble better.
Best mantra is "evolution not revolution".
That may be the better mantra, but sometimes, you just gotta.... Viva la revolution! ...to get anything fucking fixed.
I would be more concerned if he were less stupid. Going by his last presidency he'll spend half his time golfing and the rest driving through ineffective "red meat" policies to get attention from his base. Ultimately he's just a pathetic man who craves attention.
What concerns me more is that his destruction of political norms means that someone who is similarly evil - but actually capable - might be able to use him as a template to take power in the future and make America into a dictatorship. Someone like Xi Jinping as opposed to an aging B-list celebrity.
You should be concerned regardless. He is backed by considerably smarter people whose agenda is way worse than last time. Regardless if Trump pays attention or not the worst people will be unhindered. He isn't even a blocking element to those people taking power because Trump is at worst a rubber stamp and more likely a corpse given his age and lifestyle.
Short version, there isn't even a remote, barely visible silver lining.
We have always known why Hitler rose to power, and we know why Trump was reelected. When people are economically depressed and a man comes to you and tells you “This isn’t your fault, I will persecute those who are responsible and personally make things better for you.” It’s human nature, out of fear, frustration, or desperation to grasp that hand. We as a people are not ready to trust the guy who says “This is our fault, and it will be hard, but we have to fix this together”. Take everything you know about Hitler and Trump and OUR world out of it, take out your reasoning and tap into your monkey brain for a second and simply ruminate on those two propositions. Which one would you rather be true? You can’t honestly tell me the latter. You may know the latter is true, but it would be so much easier on you if the first was true.
Like it or not, we aren’t as evolved as we like to think, and those of us who consider ourselves enlightened are vulnerable to our lizard brains at one point or another.
My one takeaway from this is that primaries are important. Republicans held a primary, nominated an incomprehensibly stupid candidate, and managed to win. Dems held no primary, Biden strong armed his way into the de-facto nomination for a second term, and was replaced by his VP when he imploded on the campaign trail. At no point did Dem voters ever get to have a say in their candidate this year. Not that Kamala or Joe are bad candidates, but clearly, they're lacking something if Trump was able to win again after changing nothing from 2020.
So, the DNC fucked us again and we got Trump a second time in exactly the same way.
Dems held no primary,
He should have only served one term like he was considering and let Harris and whoever else have a primary. But just like with RBG, hubris clouded an old fucks mind and screwed the rest of us.
The 2020 primary was a joke too. The Democratic establishment manipulated it with a heavy hand in plain sight of everyone. Even so, their first choice, Kamala, flamed out spectacularly. Yet, somehow, we ended up with her being crowned as the next nominee almost before anyone saw it was happening.
I think it's fair to say that we wouldn't be in this position today if Bernie had won. The "anyone but Bernie" coalition is 100% responsible for the next 4 years.
I still think about what could have been back in 2016...
There's definitely some truth to that. The media gave Kamala front-runner status in the 2020 primary and she blew it so hard she dropped out before a single vote was cast. If we're being as generous as possible, we might describe her as, "unproven." There was never any real indication she had decent political instincts or could draw people in, and it's unlikely that she would have won in a competitive primary. Internal criticism is necessary to root out ineffective strategies (and candidates), but there was never a time when that was really permissible in this cycle.
I do not understand women's suffrage any longer at fucking all.
American Civil War 2.0 is running right to schedule.
Ahead of schedule by my count.
No way, actual popular vote win. Not even worth fighting for, try back in a couple generations.
Next stop: mysterious disappearances and a return to regularly scheduled lynchings
Yah, all those 10M Democrats that didn't bother voting will be getting right on gearing up for an uprising.
Crazy how being the lesser evil doesn't incentivize voters.