▲ 2201 ▼ Americans: Never, EVER question again how Hitler came to power in 1933 Germany (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Treczoks@lemmy.world to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world 1027 comments fedilink hide all child comments Because you now did it to yourself.
[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 230 points 2 years ago (49 children) They'd be upset if they could read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 49 child comments replies: [–] cdf12345@lemm.ee 170 points 2 years ago (48 children) Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 48 child comments replies: [–] Tagger@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (2 children) *Slightly less than half most of us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population. About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote. We're outnumbered 2:1 permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago Your math assumes 100% of the population votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago ...as was the case in 1933 Germany... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (19 children) It's not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (14 children) The non-voters are also dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That's around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn't come down to a little more than half no matter who wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ironically I think you meant to type "dumbass" while criticizing reading comprehension. I get it, probably on mobile, but I couldn't NOT reply. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -41 points 2 years ago (17 children) You could be smart enough to say "fuck you" to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign. The dumbass other half fears "the establishment" to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing "the establishment" from your side could make them fear those more. So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends. Especially those saying that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (9 children) You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved. So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have. See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (8 children) The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners. It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian. It was also supported by functional free press. Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it's not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s. Isn't Canada closer?.. Or French Guiana. It's EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Or one of the Scandinavian countries. I mean, if you want Germany, then fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (6 children) Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn't move her policy positions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not an American voter. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris. I'd say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote. No reason to panic. It's just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you've elected people who've never followed up on their promises. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being "just an imperfect democracy" and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cdf12345@lemm.ee 170 points 2 years ago (48 children) Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 48 child comments replies: [–] Tagger@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (2 children) *Slightly less than half most of us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population. About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote. We're outnumbered 2:1 permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago Your math assumes 100% of the population votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago ...as was the case in 1933 Germany... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (19 children) It's not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (14 children) The non-voters are also dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That's around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn't come down to a little more than half no matter who wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ironically I think you meant to type "dumbass" while criticizing reading comprehension. I get it, probably on mobile, but I couldn't NOT reply. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -41 points 2 years ago (17 children) You could be smart enough to say "fuck you" to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign. The dumbass other half fears "the establishment" to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing "the establishment" from your side could make them fear those more. So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends. Especially those saying that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (9 children) You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved. So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have. See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (8 children) The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners. It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian. It was also supported by functional free press. Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it's not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s. Isn't Canada closer?.. Or French Guiana. It's EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Or one of the Scandinavian countries. I mean, if you want Germany, then fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (6 children) Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn't move her policy positions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not an American voter. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris. I'd say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote. No reason to panic. It's just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you've elected people who've never followed up on their promises. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being "just an imperfect democracy" and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (2 children) *Slightly less than half most of us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population. About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote. We're outnumbered 2:1 permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago Your math assumes 100% of the population votes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population. About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote. We're outnumbered 2:1 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 point 2 years ago Your math assumes 100% of the population votes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago ...as was the case in 1933 Germany... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (19 children) It's not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (14 children) The non-voters are also dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That's around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn't come down to a little more than half no matter who wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (19 children) It's not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (14 children) The non-voters are also dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (14 children) The non-voters are also dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 2 years ago (13 children) Hey, that'll get them to vote! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A little late now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry it's your fault you weren't able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] omgarm@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they're pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris' campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is 'not trump.' fuck me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (7 children) Maybe we should vote to round them up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (6 children) 😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn't even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something. We'd still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you're focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they'll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If they leave it blank, then so be it. Maybe they'll vote quickly on something else on the ballot. Either way, they would be present and more likely to vote. I don't really care if it's dem or rep or abstain. Abstain is a valid choice, but I would prefer it to be clear that that's what they're choosing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) shrug can't help you there. I mean they literally fucking told everyone what was going to happen. And the dnc/harris decided to hold the course instead of you know, including them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean we can't even seem to make election day a holiday. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago eh? most states allow mail in ballots and early voting weeks in advance. IMO we already have this in most places. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters... It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that's on the high side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That's around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn't come down to a little more than half no matter who wins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago Or they do care but don't see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Ironically I think you meant to type "dumbass" while criticizing reading comprehension. I get it, probably on mobile, but I couldn't NOT reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -41 points 2 years ago (17 children) You could be smart enough to say "fuck you" to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign. The dumbass other half fears "the establishment" to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing "the establishment" from your side could make them fear those more. So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends. Especially those saying that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (9 children) You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved. So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have. See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (8 children) The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners. It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian. It was also supported by functional free press. Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it's not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s. Isn't Canada closer?.. Or French Guiana. It's EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Or one of the Scandinavian countries. I mean, if you want Germany, then fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (6 children) Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn't move her policy positions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not an American voter. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris. I'd say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote. No reason to panic. It's just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you've elected people who've never followed up on their promises. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being "just an imperfect democracy" and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (9 children) You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved. So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have. See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (8 children) The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners. It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian. It was also supported by functional free press. Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it's not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s. Isn't Canada closer?.. Or French Guiana. It's EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Or one of the Scandinavian countries. I mean, if you want Germany, then fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (8 children) The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners. It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian. It was also supported by functional free press. Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it's not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s. Isn't Canada closer?.. Or French Guiana. It's EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Or one of the Scandinavian countries. I mean, if you want Germany, then fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) French Guiana. Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Parts with jungle are better than parts without though. OK, you are right. I just don't like something about Germany. Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German. Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway. And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature. Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (6 children) Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn't move her policy positions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not an American voter. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris. I'd say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote. No reason to panic. It's just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you've elected people who've never followed up on their promises. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being "just an imperfect democracy" and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn't move her policy positions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family. Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide. Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice. Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation. Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters. Gaza wa the easy issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not an American voter. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris. I'd say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote. No reason to panic. It's just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you've elected people who've never followed up on their promises. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being "just an imperfect democracy" and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Point 4 may be wishful thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago True. But I can't feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5. permalink fedilink source parent