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submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

How stupid do they think China is

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[-] [email protected] 84 points 11 months ago

It is funny that this supposedly "market-based" solutions boil down to an axiom that creditors should never be allowed to lose when making a bet or a loan, and that the state should always compensate creditors.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago

That’s basically the IMF’s whole bid too, the west created a whole global institution to create loans that can never lose, their goal is debt trap.

Which is ironic considering the capitalists rhetoric around loans and interest is that riskier loans have higher interest because of the chance of default. Then they go and ensure that no loan is risky if it’s enough money owed to the right people.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Michael Hudson has written about this, that the international loan system exists so that the imperial core can put the screws on the “developing” world whenever it makes political economy decisions that threaten international capital’s bottom line.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yup! I read Super-Imperialism and then shortly after read Debt: The First 5,000 years, and I think they compliment each other really well in being able to conceptualize how debt is wielded as a weapon.

Debt actually opens up with the example of how “incredulous” of an idea it is that a country would default on their IMF loan and then shreds it apart.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

The freeeeeeeeee marketttttttttt

[-] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago

The IMF wasn't even offering to loan any money out, they were just telling China how to run their economy lmao

[-] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago

Trying to get China to debt trap the central government to the real estate capitalists themselves essentially

[-] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

can put words directly atop emoji with {emoji|text} and not have to try manually spacing
{friend-visitor-3|China}mystery-emote{friend-visitor-4|IMF}

*edit - was unaware browser support mixed, YMMV

[-] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

fwiw it doesn't render correctly for me on desktop firefox, can only read the words by highlighting them

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

oof
in Chromium and Safari looks like

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

On ddg on iOS it didn’t even render at all for me lol

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

odd, works in iOS ddg and firefox here

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Ohhh new tricks to power up the shitposting! Thank you 😊

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

{07|you’re welcome!}

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

{friend-visitor-3 | Every Chromium Browser } mystery-emote {friend-visitor-4 | The exact one I use}

Neat trick, but it’s rendering wrong for me

[-] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

unfortunate, but that makes this one you just did even funnier

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I've made a handful of shit posts with that newish furigana feature, but didn't even think of using it with emoji. centrist next level shit

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

you mean {centrist|next level shit}

[-] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago

The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations.

Bloomberg made up the $1 trillion figure

[-] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

“This would amount to INFINITY PLUS ONE TIMES A HUNDRED dollars.”

[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ancient Chinese or Greeks would use "10000" for that figure of speech but it would look silly for US oligarch.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy

What weird hollywood accounting are they using to put China's economy behind amerikas lmao

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Using nominal GDP instead of GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP). America still leads in the former because the same goods and services cost more there than in China.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

this is also the same neat trick they use when they say Italy's economy is bigger than Russia's

[-] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago

“We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

Lol. Just lol. "Actually we're just gonna do capitalism and see how that works out".

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

One of the many downsides of getting too many people educated in westoid universities

[-] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They should take the money and just give it to Palestine. Then when the imf guy comes to ask for a payment they should arrest him and put him on their space station where we can't get to him

[-] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

No fair, why should IMF ghouls get to go to space for free?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just like all imf business the cost is free upfront, it is getting out at the end that is gonna cost.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even if they were interested in injecting money on the companies that lost a shitton of money; doesn't China have like a shitton US debt that they could call? Why would they get a loan for it?

[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

US treasuries have a fixed coupon schedule, so they can't be "called." They can be sold for liquid cash though.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Ok, that then

[-] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

how the fuck is the imf even in china to begin with

[-] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations. It’s a solution that China all but ruled out in an official response included in the report.

“We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

IMF: porky-happy Heyyyy buuuuudy! It's me, the West, your old pal that you have a good history with who never says openly that we want to sew the seeds of your destruction. You know that thing that you're being so successful at? Yeah, the economy! Looks like you need some help with that, wanna borrow some money?

China: xigma-male I am the one who loans.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The way I'm reading this, it sounds like the IMF was just telling China how to use its own funds.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

no more half measures walter

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

BUT AT WHAT COST?

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