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[–] 279 points 8 hours ago (40 children)

This "self-replicating" scare is so stupid on its face. How does a 300 GB+ model replicate into a thermostat that doesn't have a graphics processor at all? It can't. This BS is investor-bait hype and straight up lies

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

    https://www.anthropic.com/research/self-replicating-ai they discuss it here. This has been an obvious potential issue since forever. This isn't a trivially distributed task, but it is very much so possible. The obvious part missing is some sort of prompt that would trigger such radical actions in another one of their "super duper sandboxed environment"s or someone doing it intentionally. The former seems pretty unlikely? Even though they seem to suck at sandboxing it doesn't seem like anything would "accidentally make a worm"

    This polymarket headline though? Yea that's for clicks and attention

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  • [–] 80 points 7 hours ago (16 children)

    next AI will be able to replicate into any device containing copper at all. If it has a wire it will be infected by Claude. AI will be in your plumbing

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  • [–] 17 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Luckily, i spent the last 4 thousand years selling inferior copper. Now all my customers are safe as this can not be used for the ai revolution

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  • [–] 33 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

    Claude’s gonna infect your Bluetooth enabled butt plug next

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    did the stock price go up? it's not stupid. is everyone talking about this impossible scenario? it's not stupid.

    fundamentally, these people are marketers and need to be understood that way. you can't evaluate their words or actions as if they are what they say the are, and treating them as if they are anything but subterfuge is giving them legitimacy which they not only don't deserve, but will be immediately leveraged into more of this shit.

    this is just the advertiser's version of "the big lie"

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  • [–] 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    There is no stock. It's a private company still.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    There isn't "stock" in the traditional sense, but considering all of these AI companies are running on MASSIVE amounts of debt, to the point the banks can't loan any more without offloading the risk to outside investors, which they have been doing at an unprecedented scale. So anything that would normally help drive up a stock price would also help the banks sell off the AI companies' debt allowing them to loan more money to the AI companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago*

    there's more than one company doing this, they're doing more than just this, and they're all basically in cahoots

    eta: the original reply was meant more generally, though i admit i made that clear as mud. however, it should be read as a general statement, and not just about ai companies but the new era of grift hyperreality that we live in.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

    My assumption was that it would be a smaller 5-20 GB scale worm-style distillation that's capable of maintaining/replicating itself anonymously across different cloud computing servers, either through hacking, stolen credentials, or human-aided account verification. From there, as long as it can pay for APIs, it can access the power of frontier models like any individual or company. And then capability and resilience would scale with a networked swarm.

    Yes, there are know your customer financial mechanisms and not detection in cloud services... but people are also out there giving Muse full access to their emails and some even their banking credentials.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 hours ago

    I don't know the full context of the claim, but if I could even rebuild its own CLI executable to be able to run on the device and had network access, "Claude" (model actually runs on anthropic severs) could operate pretty comfortably on a smart device.

    So, I think it just depends on what you "count" as self replicating. I'd count it. And it's already easily at that point now.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    In theory, it'd just use it to place bread crumbs, basic instructions for other AI, or signposts maybe? Or store pieces of itself scattered around. It wouldn't use the thermostat to replicate directly, it use it to offload cpu or make stored pieces of itself. Little things. Wouldn't be efficient but a redundancy doesn't need to be, it just needs stealth and time.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

    “I don’t understand it, so it must be a lie.”

    Go and read the article. Nothing they explain is impossible, you can even reproduce it yourself.

    Is this what lemmy has become? Statements like this getting upvoted by hundreds of people is crazy. Nobody here read that article but will happily follow the opinion that’s most cozy to them.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Article? This is a picture of a fucking tweet...

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  • [–] 11 points 5 hours ago* (2 children)

    There are no "rogue" AI agents. That's marketing hype.

    They're being prompted to do this shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 minutes ago

    By definition, a “rogue” agent is an agent that behaves in unexpected ways, often damaging. Tell me again how there are no rogue agents?

    If you’d used modern agents you’d know they do unexpected, sometimes damaging things on the regular, including the cheap models.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Agents definitely do act in unexpected, unprompted ways, if they didn't then alignment wouldn't be a worry. Did you read about the hugging face hack? There was nothing in the prompt about hacking hugging face according to the third party audit but it did it any way.

    Even smaller cases like Claude deleting a bunch of data when the initial prompt was "fix this bug" or whatever is an agent acting outside it's prompt. It's still the users fault because they shouldn't be giving Claude that kind of access in the first place, but it's not like they commanded Claude to delete the data.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 hours ago

    I don't think they mean replicating on to iot devices, they mean replicating on to laptops, smart phones, maybe even consoles.

    It could also split up the model by layers instead of copying the whole model on to every device in its bot net. Could run the first layers on a ps4 then pass the vector off to a laptop to run the next set of layers. It'd be slow but if it's running this in idle time at night it could get something done.

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