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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (5 children)

shitlibs love posting that picture of the guy standing in front of the tank, as some kind of own, when if that happened in the US the cops would have gleefully run him over and then been made into a celebrity for it

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

somebody actually did splice together the video when the Chinese tank goes around the guy, and the footage on the other side is from the BLM protests when a cop car just drives into the crowd

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Han Chinese are racial chauvinists" /r/politics libs, probably

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

reposted one such video recently

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jeff Widener, an American photographer with the Associated Press, won a pulitzer prize for that photo, precisely because it was a still image. He also took a video, but the video tends not to be shown, because it reveals that the man wasn't run over. Then you have the fact that all the US press corps showed up right as the protests took off, a lot of dark money from NGOs and western think tanks was floating around, and then deliberate conflation of the worker riots (in which PLA troops were lynched outside the square) being confused with the mostly peaceful events inside the square. Then you have that interview with the protest leader where she was crying and basically saying she was trying to provoke a massacre so that the protesters could be seen as martyrs. She got her wish, even if the massacres didn't actually occur, since that's how the west depicts those events. Then there the highly suspicious fact that nobody talks about the fact that you had many different types of protester simultaneously. Some were opposed to liberal reforms, privatization, etc, (the workers rioting outside the square) while other protesters wanted more of that stuff (the student protesters inside the square). Then you have some racist elements mixed in with the student protests I've heard, i.e. that there were some Chinese who were protesting because they didn't like the presence of African exchange students at their universities. I don't know how true that is, but I've heard it a few times.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Agitprop repost from the massive china thread done two months or so ago:

wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables).
a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting).
one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian).
Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.).
various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number.
An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155.
CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago).
during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb).
tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night.
the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.).
the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit)

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the comments would say: He sHoUlD hAVe JuSt CoMpLiEd

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

grillman sTuPiD gAmEs StUpId PrIzEs

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Rachel Corrie tried that in Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The tank man image is relevant not because of the tanks but because of the dude. He stood up and made the whole line of tanks stop (momentarily). That's the kind of energy i like in my protesters.

You're 100% correct the cops in the US would probably just plow into him, though. Hell, they'd swerve to hit him.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

momentarily

no, for several minutes: https://nitter.cz/fedurante/status/1533099332496502786

he even climbs onto the tank, the tanks only keep going after other civilians remove him from the way

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Tianamen claims

Reposted from elsewhere.

wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables).
a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting).
one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian).
Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.).
various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number.
An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155.
CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago).
during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb).
tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night.
the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.).
the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

FUCK OFF