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Image is of a solar park in Cuba, donated last year by China, sourced from this article.


To be honest, I don't have much to say about ongoing geopolitical events that hasn't already been said in previous threads (e.g. with India/Pakistan, Trump/Putin, and of course occupied Palestine), so this is more of a "news roundup" preamble for this week.

As we all know, the US (and the imperial core generally) has only three permitted international actions: sanctions, color revolution, and war. None of these have been going well lately, but sanctions are in particularly dire straits right now. Three examples from the last week or so:

  • The EU is on its 17th sanctions package, apparently, which is surprising, as I thought they were on their 76th or something. It apparently targets Russia's shadow fleet of oil tankers, but I don't think anybody actually gives a shit because we all know it won't achieve anything, so, moving on...

  • The head of Nvidia (as well as many others) have come out and said that the US chip export controls on China have failed, remarking that China's internal motivations to develop alternatives are strong and proceeding rapidly, especially as China's number of skilled scientists is only growing. Nvidia has said that they had a 95% share of China's AI chip market in 2020 or so, but now they only have 50%.

  • Lastly, an interesting one: Iran has received its first set of railway shipment of solar panels from China, and there is hope for accelerating shipments of even more products. Myself and many others have predicted a decoupling of Iran from the West and towards China and Russia (especially if any Western-built product could have Israeli devices implanted into them, such as with the pager terrorist attack on Lebanon's doctors), and having a strong link with China will be a necessary step for Iran and their allies to continue their offensives against Israel.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago

A lot of criticism of this online. I've seen it in English and Arabic. I do have some questions though.

Is this a scandal in Chinese media? Also, Can anyone explain what the heck is happening with the Chinese foreign ministry that allows this to happen like this? They're not stupid, they must know this is a terrible optic...

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

They're not stupid, they must know this is a terrible optic...

With who? I doubt the chinese foreign ministry cares about its optics with the pro-palestinian movement. All they care about is having an embassy everywhere

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People probably dont like it but i doubt its a scandal. Its just the status quo. As long as China or any country for that matter has normal diplomatic and trade relations with Israel their ambassadors there will meet with Israeli officials and ministers and post some vague "productive meeting" tweet on social media. China of course should take much harsher stances on Israel but this isnt surprising or some shift in the, bland 2 state position yes, China holds.

China has reduced military coopration and sales to Israel to practicaly zero compared to the early 2010s and has reduced investment in Israel by like >50% over the last 5-6 years but beyond that they predictably wont lead any economic or diplomatic effort or coercion against Israel. Both because its actualy near useless so long as the US and EU rabidly support Israel and Arab powers don’t get off their ass to do anything but mostly because of "non interference" foreign policy brainworms. Even if we assume China attempts to completely cut trade or even sanction Israel (which they should but obviously wont) i wonder what it would actualy accomplish. Israel itself doesn’t care what anyone else thinks so long as the US and EU support it and the US and EU will just do the opposite of whatever they think China is doing. The US and EU would pour whatever billions needed for Israel to absorb whatever economic harm from that and then most Chinese goods will be re-routed through a third party countries, either neighbouring arab countries that will do fuck all to join such an effort or bought and resold to Israel by the west. Israel aint that big and with the west fully bankrolling it and full access to global trade and western financial system they any unilateral chinese attempt at trade war against Israel wont amount to much. Supporting Israel is a drop in the bucket for the west economicaly and that wont change if they had to ramp this up a bit. It would be just symbolic from China's side. It would still be cool and good if they did it but anything short than full on nuclear economic warfare against eveyone involved, joined earnestly by other regional and world actors, wouldnt stop the Holocaust. Im not saying thats China's calculus and thats the reason they dont take aggresive economic actions against Israel, far from it. Im just wondering what would happen even if they were willing given the current geopolical realities

[-] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago

People here are talking as if 80% of the Zionist entity's economy is reliant on China. At the end of the day, the Zionist entity is just an extension of the US. It's not a normal country that is subject to normal pressures a country would face. The US will simply foot the bill (or force their vassals to foot the bill) for whatever economic void that a potential Chinese economic sanction would cause.

What sustains the Zionist entity is weapons and the vast majority of weapons shipped to the Zionist entity is from the West, with the West even using sheepdipped "mercenaries" to murder Palestinians. China trading regular consumer goods and investing in infrastructure isn't the same at all. But once the Zionist entity has no more access to Western weapons, it is toast. The question then becomes:

  • What action(s) would force the US to drop military support of the Zionist entity?

The actions would have to militarily and economically cost the US to the point where it has to drop the Zionist entity since we're well past the point of questioning whether the US sees the political costs as meaningful (it does not).

For military costs, you have direct military costs in the sense of Ansarallah attacking US ships, but there's also the intensification of current military fronts and opening of new military fronts. Quite simply, if the US is fighting too many wars at once, there will be triaging since it's geopolitically wiser to invest your resources in a few fronts that you can win versus spreading out your investments and losing them all. The IOF is an exceptionally incompetent and cowardly military, so the US has to spend more relative to other vassal militaries. I suppose there's also the case of domestic unrest that would require a military response. In the very unlikely possibility of violent domestic unrest in the US that's fueled by the US's support of the Zionist entity, triaging might lead to the US cutting support for the sake of restoring domestic stability.

For economic costs, I don't mean how many trillions of dollars of arms the US spends on the Zionist entity. I mean more like the Axis of Resistance targeting oil refineries in the Gulf states and destroying the economic wealth of the entire WANA region. There's also cutting access to crucial resources for the US. And the elephant in the room is of course China which has the means of waging direct economic warfare with the US.

For the US to drop the Zionist entity, I think these need to happen simultaneously:

  1. The Axis of Resistance broadens the front and begin targeting comprador regimes. Perhaps Iran needs to directly wage kinetic warfare with the US. This will militarily and economically cost the US.

  2. Russia intensifies the Ukrainian front, with Putin larping as the Putler carricature that liberal media portray him as. This will militarily cost the US.

  3. China wages economic warfare against the US and do all the dedollarization stuff that Shipwreck chastises China for not doing. This will economically cost the US.

This is, of course, what a precursor for WWIII would look like. But perhaps people are just in denial about WWIII not happening and the bandaid should just be pulled off.

[-] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago

What's happening is that China has been conducting business as usual and continued trading with Israel despite the genocide.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

China's lack of meaningful response to Israeli crimes (and even continuing to trade with them) is probably their most inexcusable geopolitical offence. I know there's a sort of playing-both-sides thing here (as I believe China buys most of Iran's oil and is deepening trade with them all the time) but it's still abhorrent.

But even if you're a total psychopath who doesn't value human lives at all in geopolitical calculus - you see the mass graves of murdered children and go "whatever" - I still don't see any argument by which the modern-day Chinese state, with all its economic power, should continue having anything to do with Israel. Anything that Israel provides can and should be developed at home (and, to be honest, I can't imagine that anything that Israel provides them is a net good for humanity anyway). There's no reason to strengthen your direct world competitor in a hotly contested region by continuing to have ties with their genocidal outpost. At least with trading and interacting with Taiwan there's a calculation of exerting economic influence and not ceding ground to the US; there is literally no universe in all of god's creation in which Israel sides with China (and the anti-imperialist world more generally) over the US. Netanyahu will sooner defect to Iran than that happen.

The silver lining is that I suspect (though I don't have the figures on me) that China is economically and militarily helping out anti-Israeli forces relatively more than pro-Israeli ones. Still inexcusable.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The silver lining is that I suspect (though I don't have the figures on me) that China is economically and militarily helping out anti-Israeli forces relatively more than pro-Israeli ones.

China sells more goods to Israel than any other country on earth, and that is up 20% in 2024 from 2023, returning effectively to what baseline exports to Israel was before the war.

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/israel-china-2024/

China is not helping out anti-Israeli forces more. It's business as usual and their diplomatic messaging right now is indistinguishable from someone like Emmanuel Macron, saying Israel is commiting war crimes and calling for 2-state solution but not actually doing anything to make that happen, all while continuing to trade with Israel.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

probably their most inexcusable geopolitical offence

Supporting Islamists to own the Soviets in Afghanistan was pretty bad

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Maybe they meant in the modern day. Because I would agree that was worse. As was siding with the US against Vietnam and with the Khmer Rouge.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Maybe they don't want to get heat from the US?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

But they get shitloads of heat from the US anyway

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

This is just the continuation of the Deng policy of never getting involved and keeping neutrality even if it makes them look bad

[-] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

Do nothing; win also means that you do nothing; others lost

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Deng policy of never getting involved and keeping neutrality

see also: line go up

[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

The Chinese foreign ministry seems to be a den of liberal snakes

I fear for Chinese socialism if men like this can raise to positions of power, goofy fucks

[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I share that same fear. With more and more libs like Li Qiang (Premier since 2023) gaining influence and private capital making a comeback since the return of Jack Ma, the CPC has not been immune to the spread of liberal brain rot and opportunism. @[email protected] has talked about this some time ago, and said they were losing faith in Xi's ability to curb private capital.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

They called him a madman

[-] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

This is their fanfic only, I've pointed out to them multiple times and anyone can check for themselves, the western socialist/ML sphere latched onto Xi's image as a personification of "anti-westernism" and anti-imperialism when he could barely be called one and is definitely no anti-American. Now they push this fanfic as their explanation and I beg people please look further away than just one source e.g look at what Xi himself has said from the very start.

From literaly day 1 of his term he has maintained his support for the Dengist line of non-interventionism and "win-win" relationships aka trade with anyone and everyone including mutual enemies from both sides etc.(Xinhua, November 30, 2014)

China must keep abreast with the global development if it is to achieve its development, Xi said. "It is important to have a global perspective and deep understanding of the underlying trend of the times, make sound, accurate and thorough assessment of the changing international environment and dissect complex phemomena to uncover the essence and, in particular, gain a deep appreciation of the long-term trend."

"We should be fully mindful of the complexity of the evolving international architecture, and we should also recognize that the growing trend toward a multi-polar world will not change," Xi said.

"We should be fully aware that the global economic adjustment will not be smooth sailing; but we also need to recognize that economic globalization will not stop," he said.

"We should be fully alert to the grave nature of international tensions and struggle; but we also need to recognize that peace and development, the underlying trend of our times, will remain unchanged. We should be keenly aware of the protracted nature of contest over the international order; on the other hand, we need to recognize that the direction of reform of the international system will remain unchanged," said the Chinese leader.

You could almost make a Biden "nothing will fundamentaly change" meme here regarding Xi's views on Foreign policy in his early years. Everything today is a continuation of that. Likewise Xi has throughout these past 10 years repeatedly written and delivered speeches praising globalization and re-affirming the end of the cold war as a lesson that China learned from.

Now this may be surprising for some of us "late" comers to socialism who coincided with exactly this peak 2020's Chinese economic optimism but its a horrible mistake to substitute this optimism for a foundation of theory.

Xi has not been "fighting" liberals. His ascension was marked by fighting corruption, not ideological differences, we can't mistake the two. It is absolutely possible to be both honest and proactive towards Chinese people and "common prosperity" as he calls it while absolutely having the deepest commitment to Capitalism and the current order, reinforcing globalization as TINA and BRICS as not a Soviet style cold war bloc.

People try to find excuses to exempt this caricature image of Xi as sole warrior and defender and they just look away and ignore pretty much the entire pre-2020 era of his own liberal and pro-western brainworms. This will continue to lead to disappointment as Xi keeps "losing the battle" against the few bad apples in the party. Absolutely copium fanfic imo.

Xi has done well as he promised to deliver the "rising China" era. He and the CPC never promised to be anti-imperialists or fight the US, on the contrary.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

liberal brain rot and opportunism.

You might even say the party is falling to revisionism.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Washed.

Then again, not surprising since China has maintain a cordial relationship with Azerbaijan after their ethnic cleansing of Nagorno-Karabakh

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