I’m back! It’s been a while since I’ve been on this site because I’ve found myself under some financial trouble and I’ve been stressed BUT I wanted to take this opportunity to talk about something I love dearly: dihedral groups!
Consider the symmetries of a square:
We can see that there are 4 reflections and 3 rotations, as well as the act of doing nothing at all. Together, we have 8 total symmetries, and in fact, these are all of the possible symmetries. What this means is that if we do one of these symmetric moves and then do another one, we will have not changed the square, and therefore doing these two moves is the same as doing just one of the 8 symmetries on its own. For example, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a 180 degree rotation is the same as doing a 270 degree rotation. Also, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a reflection across the vertical axis is the same as doing a reflection across a diagonal axis.
So in other words, we can define a function that takes two symmetries of a square as input and which outputs another symmetry. Since standard multiplication is a function taking two numbers and outputting another number, it makes sense to borrow the notation of multiplication for this function. Our symmetry function satisfies a few useful properties:
- Closure: As explained above, for any two symmetries, the function will spit out another symmetry
- Identity: There is a symmetry (namely, the “do nothing” symmetry) such that when it is input into the function with another symmetry, the function will always simply output the other symmetry
- Associativity: For any symmetries a, b, and c, (ab)c = a(bc)
- Inverses: For every symmetry, there is a symmetry that undoes it. For example, rotating a square by 270 degrees undoes rotating it by 90 degrees, and doing a reflection a second time after doing it once undoes the first reflection
These 4 properties are so important that any set of objects with a function defined on it that satisfies all of these properties has a special name: they’re called groups and they’re really freaking awesome. The symmetries of a square as a group is called D~8~, since there are 8 total symmetries. Sometimes you might see it called D~4~, since squares have 4 sides, but I think this convention is a bit silly. In the same way, D~6~ is the symmetries of an equilateral triangle, D~10~ is the symmetries of a regular pentagon, and so forth. In general, D~2n~ is the symmetries of a regular n-gon.
Now, one interesting thing is that groups can contain each other. For example, consider an octagon. Since there are squares hidden within the points of octagons, if we pick a square we can see that all of the symmetries of that square are present in the symmetries of of the octagon, so it is possible to throw out all of the other symmetries. What we would be left with is just the symmetries of a square. What this means is that D~8~ is contained in D~16~. You can play similar games to show that there are lots of groups contained inside the dihedral groups.
The last thing I want to talk about regarding these things are their subgroup lattices. Oftentimes mathematicians want to picture the internal structure of a group. One of the ways they might do this is by writing down all of the subgroups of a group they’re studying onto a piece of paper, and then connecting any two with a line if one of them is a subgroup of the other that doesn’t have a subgroup between them. The resulting picture is called a subgroup lattice, and I’ve left some dihedral group lattices below because I think they’re pretty.
two cute dihedral subgroup lattices holding hands and cuddling
Anyway this has been gushposting with your host, yewler. Maybe next mega I might talk about more specific details that make these things cool.
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we have a transmasc friend with multiple sclerosis and he wants to start T but isnt sure what kind of effects thatll have on the MS... anybody know anything about that? (obvs asked doctors and they said its a bad idea but like we dont trust doctors around here soooo :3)
Believe it or not testosterone HRT is something they do for cis men with MS (they often have lower T because of the disease process). It's even known to have neuroprotective benefits including some protection of myelin (potentially even forming new mylein, I dunno the details)
I'm not sure what the doctors are thinking... presumably they're worried the cardiovascular risks aren't worth it. But if your aim is just masculinizing then the risk is more or less what every cis man is walking around with and AFAIK they don't order an anti androgen to cis men with MS lol
this was our general understanding as well, thanks for affirming it (twas why we didnt trust the doctors in the first place x3)
Never trust doctors. They want trans people to suffer.
Not always~
The stereotype isn't unearned. Im just saying for myself, my doctor was great about getting me on HRT and prog and titrating me off Effexor. My psych (I needed one to be approved for bottom surgery funding) has been lovely. My gynecologist was great.
I'm happy for you, but that's not the typical experience.
A while back I was talking about how to get medical care after starting HRT. People here basically called me a coward for not wanting to come out to my GP. You told me "doctors generally get into the practice to help people, so they're more likely to be supportive".
So I came out to him against my better judgment. It did not go well. I did not feel safe. I had to change medical providers so I wouldn't see him again.
The struggle session about doctors from a few months back was brimming with stories from trans people who were dehumanized by doctors (I bet pup here has some stories which is why she doesn't trust docs and is asking here). I don't thing any of them have ever had a positive experience.
The best advice was from kristina who gave me a long list of plausible lies to tell (I'm on HRT for prostate cancer, I have tits because I have gynecomastia, etc.)
The ONLY good experience I've had with a doctor is with my NB doctor who actually works at a gender clinic.
p.s.
I'm not mad at you and still trust you.