okay but like (not particularly educated take inbound)

the biggest gripe we have with social democracy is that it's fundamentally just a more equitable distribution of plunder from the global south, but that criticism doesn't really hold up when you ARE the global south and it's your resources getting plundered by imperialists

When Bernie starts saying shit like this my opinion of him will change:

"You don't know how happy I am today. For the first time in the history of this country, we've managed to put a communist on the Supreme Court, a comrade of the quality of Flávio Dino"

Those south american socdems hit different.

Under no circumstances would any of our global north socdems say something overtly praising putting communists in positions of power. With perhaps the sole exception of Jeremy Corbyn who was quite obviously only a socdem of necessity, it's clearly not his actual ideology.

Is the nation imperialist?

If yes, social imperialists.

If no, social democrats.

Pretty damn simple.

Latin American socdems: “I denounce capitalism and the west’s condescension and imperialism. It is evil, exploitative, and the Marxists are right. The violent revolutionaries of the global south were right. We must engage in capitalism in the current state of the world to survive, but we can and must do better”

European socdems: We are LITERALLY the only real socialists. Every other attempt at socialism is a failure. Who produces our energy? Whose labor allows us our privileges and benefits? Who knows! Magic! The browns are being too uppity which could end our high standard of living, so we need to support the US to secure our existence. What do you mean the collapse of the USSR means we no longer have leverage over capitalists?

This is a simplification of course. But no European socdem has given me the impression he cares about anything except himself these days.

Just wanted to chime in and say how proud I am of all my comrades for understanding the essential difference between geopolitical dynamics in the global north and south.

Social democracy in the imperial core, premised on global south super profits, is different from a country historically exploited by the imperial core doing social democracy by taking advantage of its own resources.

It's more along the lines of how the United States won't even allow social democracy as a release valve

I think South America can have little a social democracy, as a treat

social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

Western leftist:goes on huge rant

Latin American leftist: DBZ is pretty cool

it’s depressing seeing supposed communists supporting the incompetent and corrupt capitalist demsoc governments of the world like the one in my country

Well, Lula did end up making Lulgags so maybe he's come around a little.

There's also a difference between social democracy and democratic socialism

I was gonna say I wish we would CW these particularly gnarly wojaks but I'd just click through every time anyhow

Anyhow this did several points of mental damage to my psyche thanks

Correct. Denying global imperialism another nation to pilfer is good.

Lula isn't doing that great in his 3rd presidency. We are seeing the privatization of prisons, a zero déficit policy and a continuation of a cap on government spending that is fucked up and that he promised to get rid of, but didn't. There's talks of his party, PT, allying with PL (Bolsonaro's party) on some stuff, tho I haven't looked into it to much. And there's a real possibility of the military police becoming basically untouchable and having more power and autonomy than they did during the military dictatorship.

There's other stuff happening that is not related to him, but that is extremely important, like the recent illegal privatization of water in the state of São Paulo by it's facist governor that ended in comrades that were peacefully protesting being beaten and arrested.

Of course there is good too like the economic growth and the recent abolishment (don't know if it is the right word to use) of debt for the people that were housed by the government, but we are seeing the limits of social democracy right now.

This shit is both depressing and enraging. If only the Lula that spoke in the UN was the same Lula that is governing this country.

Don't put too much faith into social democracies just because it's on the global south, comrades.

Critical support for national liberation from Global North neocolonialism.

SocDems vs. DemSocs