Also also corporations fought the science for about a decade until safer alternatives were developed.

Also the hole is still there, but it's slowly healing now instead of getting worse.

Yeah.

This is like when people bitch and complain about a pothole and suddenly when the pothole is fixed? Silence.

/S

Matt Walsh is an unserious goon at best, an actual moron at worst.

But the reason that this sort of anti-science propaganda might actually work on well- intended people is because we don't advertise our major successes anymore. Or rather, we never really did advertise them enough, but as those successes became less visible compared to, say, a polio vaccine, just as it took scientists to inform us of the problem, they need to inform us of wins too.

When I was a kid in the 90s, we had a lot of alarm bells going off about the Ozone Layer, about acid rains, and climate change (termed "global warming" then). None of these were particularly visible problems to most people. Each of these became massively politicized, but the fix for the first 2 was a relatively narrow remedy: find and implement replacements for hydroflourocarbons through environmental regulations, and cut mainly two compounds, sulfer dioxide and nitrogen oxides, from fossil fuel power plant emissions through cap and trade regulation policies and smokestack scrubbers. And it worked quite well, to the point that the ozone layer is repairing, as are ecosystems previously ravaged by acid rains.

But scientists and the media never advertised that success nearly enough. Honestly we should have been politicizing that success, even, as much as we did the problems. Now it just seems to most like the problem quietly got forgotten like it never really mattered, rather than that it was a massive problem and we fucking fixed it through science, regulation and international cooperation. And that apparent disappearance of the problem without any noticeable change for the average Joe, and the resulting skepticism that it was ever a problem at all, has infected the one ongoing problem, the biggest and most complex of the problems, climate change.

This phenomenon is a flaw in broad (group) human reasoning, and it needs a name so that we can stop the generational backslide that comes from new people coming along and undoing all progress.

Yeah?

But what about Y2K? All those programmers and companies stressed over it and nothing happened! /s

I had to learn about this stuff to get my refrigerant certification. If you want to claim that CFCs aren’t that big of a deal then you are a fucking dumbass.

1 atom of chlorine can destroy 100,000 atoms of ozone. For every 1 part of chlorine that enters the atmosphere 100,000 times that amount of ozone is destroyed. Not only that, it also absorbs and traps infrared and other types of radiation heat and stops it from escaping the atmosphere. That is just one of the elements in CFCs and they all do severe levels of damage, they aren’t very stable so they break down easy and ever atom of its compound gets to interact to it’s full effect. Shit’s really bad.

That's the problem when you live in an information bubble. I clearly remember reports about the ozon layer starting regenerating.

Why do idiots and ignorants still have that much influence? That's the real mystery!

The orange idiot would still call it a hoax

Same thing with acid rain. Remember acid rain? When was the last time you heard someone fear mongering about acid rain? Doesn't really happen anymore, because we passed policies reducing the sulfur content in highway and maritime fuels. Less sulfur being emitted into the atmosphere means less sulfuric acid is formed in clouds meaning the rain is less acidic. We did it.

There's still a hole, which is why NZ is melanoma capital of the world.

The ozone layer: maya hi, maya hu, maya ho, maya ha ha

I thought someone shot Matt Walsh in the neck? Oh wait it was the other guy identical to him in every aspect that matters

That's the problem with stupid people. When there's a crisis and people solve it they just go "see there wasn't a serious crisis", and next time they go "nothing happened last time, it's exaggerated"

Man different times. Imagine if this happened now.

Funny story too. They had a bounty system, you got paid for bringing in the cfc's to get rid of them. So manufacturers started quiet;y making it just to trade it in.

Matt Walsh is a walking trashcan lid flapping in the wind.

This is one of the very few instances where every country agreed on something

Ever seen all the news about renewable power growing exponentially? No? It's because good news is boring and noone has agenda to propagate it.

Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer 1985 Am I a joke to you?

Do it will climate change - now.

We need to bring back bullying, but just for people like Matt Walsh

You can’t fix stupid.