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[-] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

Data centers have lobbying force the citizens lack, they can negotiate for better prices.

Data centers also force power grid upgrades, the cost of which gets unfairly distributed to consumers.

And, data centers have the technology to take advantage of peak pricing, running on low power when electricity costs more and amping up when the price is more favorable.

People need to fight back in force, write their representatives, their energy companies, show up to town halls and increase public pressure to make sure data centers are paying their fair share.

[-] Spiv@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Debt trickles down, money trickles up

[-] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 hours ago

See? Trickle down economics does work! With debt.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 hours ago

Don't you have something like an energy board to protect your citizens against price hikes by power companies.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 hours ago

If we did, it would be populated by MAGAs who would take bribes to let the power company put ALL the costs on the residential consumers. Except for the wealthy neighborhood. They deserve a break, because they're better.

Sounds like getting politically involved is a MAGA-exclusive thing in your country.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 hours ago

I don't really get how the fig leaf of "due to data-centers" is even supposed to work.

They get more demand, so more revenue. Then the fixed costs of the business are spread over more revenue, which is supposed to make the prices better not worse.

I know the profit motive is just extracting whatever the market will bear, but could anyone still explain the reasoning they are trying to make customers believe?

[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago

Somewhere at the energy company is a person or small team responsible for that message. And those are regular people who also are getting fucked in the ass. Carefully crafted to keep their job (shifting the blame away from the utility slightly), while also letting everyone know who's dick it is in their bumbum

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

but could anyone still explain the reasoning they are trying to make customers believe?

That's the neat part, they don't have to bother with that!

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

I don’t really get how the fig leaf of “due to data-centers” is even supposed to work.

It let's them increase their extortionary price hike by more, and blame it on a different extortionist.

[-] starchylemming@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

probably need to build new power plants while the existing ones are in overdrive

they could handle that diffeently, bug fleecing regular joe is more fun

[-] batmaniam@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It can depend, also this little snippet doesn't say if it's energy or delivery. Some utilities really like expanding delivery because the projects are revenue, and they don't make much, if any, on the delivery. But in some cases those delivery expansion projects have a long payback time, so they avoid them until they're critical, and also lose if after building the demand they were serving goes down.

It also varies a ton by state (Texas being the most extreme example). As well as, someone noted below, how the energy purchase goes. In my state there's an independent not for profit that is not the utility, and not the energy producer, that just coordinates purchase of power from the broader region (across multiple states). They'll mix whats coming into the grid in the state going "call Ohio and buy XXYY megawatts for ZZ hrs from that coal fire joint". The control room is cool as hell. They seem pretty ethically clean, but purchasing that power is a bidding process (like, real time), and your bid has to be competitive.

[-] topperharlie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

I mean, the country chose Trump, what are you expecting?

[-] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 9 hours ago

How the fuck should a loan program help paying for monthly recurring costs?!

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 18 points 6 hours ago

Well, in the past (and the present in many places) perpetual unrepayable debts were used as a way to implement slavery without calling it slavery. They call it debt peonage. You know, food for thought.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago

the more I'm debt you get the more you owe them,

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 10 points 7 hours ago

Short term it pads the companies books a bit more by adding an asset on top of the revenue. Medium term it's a perpetual impairment generator. The executives are just planning to cash out before the inevitable happens.

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[-] Photonic@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

What do you mean? To transfer wealth of the working class to the Epstein class of course! What a silly question…

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 46 points 10 hours ago

Privatized profits, socialized cost. That’s the “free market”.

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 65 points 10 hours ago

I absolutely cannot figure this out. Isn't a kwh the same price for everyone? Why would a data center pay less? (I'm not asking anyone to justify the poor decisions of energy companies)

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

Isn't a kwh the same price for everyone?

Not sure why you'd assume this

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Clout. Aura. Bargaining force. Call it whatever you want, really. Corporations are big, they have capital, capital is power. They can hire people to influence politics, pushing for people who are on their side to get elected by funding campaigns, and naturally bribe people on the down low.

Stick, along with the other people served by their provider, most likely don't have the ability to pay people to lobby for them full time. Most people barely have the money to keep their personal economy going, and spend a significant portion of their time just making that happen. As a result, the corporations who are benefiting from this sit on all the power, because they can influence public opinion as well, painting their politics as beneficial to private individuals, even if that's a complete lie.

That is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible. Workers could band together and claim power, but they're kept in situations where doing that just isn't feasible.

Things won't get better without some kind of revolution. The balance of power is tipped so far in favour of the corporations that no matter how much time or money workers spend (neither of which we have) trying to better things, they'll never get even close to what the corpos can swing with.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

If it’s anything like it is here in Victoria (Australia); the price per MWh is recalculated based on supply/demand on a 5 minute basis:

https://www.aemo.com.au/aemo/data/nem/priceanddemand/PRICE_AND_DEMAND_202607_VIC1.csv

That’s because when supply outruns demand, surplus electricity is basically worthless and wholesalers need to pay someone to take it - we have long stretches of time, even during winter, where our domestic solar production saturates the demand, resulting in our Feed-in tariffs (what homes get paid for surplus production) has dropped to 1c/kWh, except for certain edge cases).

The bulk of the cost incurred is due to peak-energy generation (gas turbine, I believe?) ramping up to cover peak evening times.

These costs are aggregated and amortised over total demand, to balance out people’s energy bills.

This has been a bit of a tangent, but I found this interesting when I first learned it, and just wanted to share!

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 85 points 10 hours ago

Same as with RAM prices. There is a limited supply and the datacenters are hogging it, possibly willing to pay extra because the entire bubble depends on MORE MORE MORE, or willing to bulk purchase the entire contingent in advance.

Now if you are a power supplier you find yourself in the comfortable position of being financially courted by the datacenter corps, and you have a captured audience of consumers who rely on you supplying them, who you can now justifiably bleed out, and if they cant pay you just sell it to the datacenter after all.

[-] AlteE@programming.dev 37 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That is actually very sick behavior.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Capitalism is essentially based on the concept that everyone doing whatever they believe is in their best interest will magically balance itself out and achieve the most-efficient outcome, instead of the most self-serving and greedy criminals and psychopaths colluding to exploit and deceive the masses, accrue the lions share, and enslave everyone else.

It's basically a religiously-dogmatic mental illness that has no place beyond the 19th Century, but the criminals and psychopaths used their wealth to exploit and deceive the masses... so here we are. May the greediest psychopath win!

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

This is America.

[-] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 14 points 6 hours ago

To you or I, surely, but to an MBA it's just business as usual.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Isn't a kwh the same price for everyone?

Perversely, no. Large industrial users often get a bulk rate that's cheaper than the household rate.

Happy cake day, BTW.

[-] selfmate@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 hours ago

Everyone on the power exchange. Consumers don't pay the exchange price. They pay a premium to the company that transforms exchange power to household power on a virtual sheet of paper.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 26 points 10 hours ago

Definitely a smart move letting those power utilities be privatised, even a regulation forcing cost price power for residents would have been better than full privatisation. I'm so glad my state never got sucked into letting that happen here.

[-] Snowcano@startrek.website 15 points 9 hours ago

Fortunately, Oregon seems to have figured out how to handle this. This was in my feed, literally right under this post.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/63159063

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[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 15 points 10 hours ago

As the other commenter said, they have a limited supply and are expecting us plebeians to be priced out and go without. It's already happening: https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/virginia-county-tells-workers-switch-002400860.html

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago

This gets extra sick when you remember many places in the west will declare a house legally condemned if you dont have power... Even if you have solar panels...

You can have totally functional power in the home and be self sufficient but you /still/ have to be connected to the grid and paying for that.

And often these jacked up prices impact you, even if you arent using the power at all.

[-] MML@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Let me tell you about my legally required cable.

[-] decapitae@sh.itjust.works 29 points 10 hours ago

Data centers that can't run, don't eat up electricity

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

There's usually usually a power pole near them feeding them with electricity. Shame if something were to happen to it.

[-] decapitae@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

It is only aluminum wire after all

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[-] TheFrogThatFlies@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

We do have trickle down economies!

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