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[–] 121 points 3 months ago (13 children)

How the fuck should a loan program help paying for monthly recurring costs?!

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    Short term it pads the companies books a bit more by adding an asset on top of the revenue. Medium term it's a perpetual impairment generator. The executives are just planning to cash out before the inevitable happens.

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    [–] 81 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    I absolutely cannot figure this out. Isn't a kwh the same price for everyone? Why would a data center pay less? (I'm not asking anyone to justify the poor decisions of energy companies)

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  • [–] 111 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Same as with RAM prices. There is a limited supply and the datacenters are hogging it, possibly willing to pay extra because the entire bubble depends on MORE MORE MORE, or willing to bulk purchase the entire contingent in advance.

    Now if you are a power supplier you find yourself in the comfortable position of being financially courted by the datacenter corps, and you have a captured audience of consumers who rely on you supplying them, who you can now justifiably bleed out, and if they cant pay you just sell it to the datacenter after all.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    That is actually very sick behavior.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Capitalism is essentially based on the concept that everyone doing whatever they believe is in their best interest will magically balance itself out and achieve the most-efficient outcome, instead of the most self-serving and greedy criminals and psychopaths colluding to exploit and deceive the masses, accrue the lions share, and enslave everyone else.

    It's basically a religiously-dogmatic mental illness that has no place beyond the 19th Century, but the criminals and psychopaths used their wealth to exploit and deceive the masses... so here we are. May the greediest psychopath win!

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    Definitely a smart move letting those power utilities be privatised, even a regulation forcing cost price power for residents would have been better than full privatisation. I'm so glad my state never got sucked into letting that happen here.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    If it’s anything like it is here in Victoria (Australia); the price per MWh is recalculated based on supply/demand on a 5 minute basis:

    https://www.aemo.com.au/aemo/data/nem/priceanddemand/PRICE_AND_DEMAND_202607_VIC1.csv

    That’s because when supply outruns demand, surplus electricity is basically worthless and wholesalers need to pay someone to take it - we have long stretches of time, even during winter, where our domestic solar production saturates the demand, resulting in our Feed-in tariffs (what homes get paid for surplus production) has dropped to 1c/kWh, except for certain edge cases).

    The bulk of the cost incurred is due to peak-energy generation (gas turbine, I believe?) ramping up to cover peak evening times.

    These costs are aggregated and amortised over total demand, to balance out people’s energy bills.

    This has been a bit of a tangent, but I found this interesting when I first learned it, and just wanted to share!

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    [–] 60 points 3 months ago

    Privatized profits, socialized cost. That’s the “free market”.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Data centers that can't run, don't eat up electricity

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    [–] 33 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    You're paying thrice:
    1: With your spare time in which you give advice on forums and maintain Wikipedia pages. This information is getting slurped up by AI crawlers.
    2: Implicitly with your money, to get some new AI doodad on your laptop or your phone, trained on 1.
    3: See meme.

    And that's why billionaires exists.

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    [–] 32 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    They're putting data centers in near me (they have been heavily protested, but of course that doesn't do shit, the local government holds lots of meetings that are crowded with people saying they don't want them, and then they shrug and approve them anyway. The last meeting I heard about they just flat out cancelled because too many people were planning on coming and speaking against it). I got a letter from my power company that they're raising electric rates, and would I like to contribute to a fund to help pay other people's bill?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Replace them. Either recruit a candidate or run yourself. Ignoring your voters should have consequences.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    Oh I know exactly how I'm voting next election, but the problem is that I live in a conservative area and these dumb fuckers wouldn't vote for their own self interest if you held a gun to their heads, because if they vote for things that benefit them then a brown person or someone on disability might also benefit.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This gets extra sick when you remember many places in the west will declare a house legally condemned if you dont have power... Even if you have solar panels...

    You can have totally functional power in the home and be self sufficient but you /still/ have to be connected to the grid and paying for that.

    And often these jacked up prices impact you, even if you arent using the power at all.

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    [–] 24 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I don't really get how the fig leaf of "due to data-centers" is even supposed to work.

    They get more demand, so more revenue. Then the fixed costs of the business are spread over more revenue, which is supposed to make the prices better not worse.

    I know the profit motive is just extracting whatever the market will bear, but could anyone still explain the reasoning they are trying to make customers believe?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I don’t really get how the fig leaf of “due to data-centers” is even supposed to work.

    It let's them increase their extortionary price hike by more, and blame it on a different extortionist.

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    [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    See? Trickle down economics does work! With debt.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    Debt trickles down, money trickles up

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Data centers have lobbying force the citizens lack, they can negotiate for better prices.

    Data centers also force power grid upgrades, the cost of which gets unfairly distributed to consumers.

    And, data centers have the technology to take advantage of peak pricing, running on low power when electricity costs more and amping up when the price is more favorable.

    People need to fight back in force, write their representatives, their energy companies, show up to town halls and increase public pressure to make sure data centers are paying their fair share.

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    [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Isn't sharing the bill while a small group profits exactly how capitalism works?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (9 children)
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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    What do you mean? To transfer wealth of the working class to the Epstein class of course! What a silly question…

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Don't you have something like an energy board to protect your citizens against price hikes by power companies.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Time to molatov cocktail the AI daracenter. A sudden unexpected fire happened. Dunno how 🤷‍♀️

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    [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Egg the diesel, sugar the concrete.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Socialize the expenses, privatize the profits. Everything is working as designed.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    A data center that has been burned down won't need power

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Loobying is bribery.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    How's all that freedom, 'Murica?

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