The fact that their use of Signal was successfully presented as proof of terrorist intent should be extremely alarming to everyone.
The mere use of Signal or the content of their messages?
They used signal set to auto delete messages, and the prosecution used that to show intent, which is insanely fucked up tbqh.
If only they had added an Atlantic author to their group chat like Pete hegseth it would have been all kosher.
Signal
US-origin open source messaging client
That would be an easy target for Cellbrite devs to find a lot of vulnerabilities. Can't wait for Matrix devs to react to Signal encryption scandal
What do you mean by this?
The punishment for the protesters exceeds the lengthiest prison sentences given out for the attack on the Capitol on January 6. Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, was sentenced to 22 years in prison. Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the far-right group the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 18 years in prison.
All of whom were pardoned, by the way. I guess the moral here is that leftists should start overthrowing the government instead of just protesting it.
If even peaceful protests land you in prison for 50 years, what's the point of keeping it peaceful? Might as well go all in.
It also raises the stakes for getting caught. If there is the expectation of extreme punishment just for like moving some zines then folks will go down shooting instead.
I agree, what is the point anymore in holding back anything. We are all going to die, it's just more humiliating and painful the way they plan it for us.
I just want to see their flesh burn and slough off before I go.
I think non-Americans sometimes underestimate the amount of state repression here. Pity anyone who is targeted by the "justice system", because it is the goddamned terminator. It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop… EVER, until your life is ruined.
Unless the accused is a pedophile billionaire, of course.
Whether the US or the UK any action, including peaceful or insignificant, will mark you as a terrorist now. And while sentences like this might have some chilling effect they also is ensure there's no reason to try and work within the law or allow yourself to get caught. Especially in America, if I was armed at an action and the cops moved in I think I'd be unloading every bullet towards them but my last one.
People need to fully realize that you cannot organize through text messages or even Signal, the only way to be sure of maintaining opsec is no real names, no faces ever visible during the action, and no digital communication about the action or between members. These days it's like you have to be Solid Snake to get away with anything, and he didn't even have to face the level of surveillance we have now.
It will have a chilling effect for a lot probably, but these sentences will just ensure that the serious ones make it count hopefully. In the Three Body Problem novels, they had to operate knowing the enemy could observe every single thing they did at all times, so they had a person secretly assigned to coordinate efforts, but without ever telling anyone or making it clear that they were a leader of the resistance. It felt like a hint for people in the near future.
The downside to full anonymity that I can see is it's easier to get infiltrated. One of the best defenses is being friends with your comrades, knowing where they work and live, meeting their kids, their family, etc. Of course that doesn't always work (like that FBI informant who took down Fred Hampton's chapter of the Black Panthers), but I'd hate to surrender a feeling of community to maintain full opsec.
Of course if you just mean at the action, which now that I'm rereading your comment I think is what you meant, then ya, I agree. Still makes it hard to organize if we can't use digital communication tools and they can, though. Sucks doing all this in a futuristic dystopia. We'll have to adapt like the revolutionaries of old did to their time periods.
True about anonymity, I didn't necessarily mean never know who you're working with, if it's your true homies and family there's probably less risk but yeah like with Fred Hampton, there are a lot of ways the feds can pressure people close to you. If someone is told they would get sentenced to 30 years in prison if they don't help the investigation it's a tough bargain to go against them.
It really does suck
I read books from guerilla fighters like Che Guevara talking about the disadvantage in regards to having to work in the shadows, weaponry, organization and funding. It's wild how much more power the state security forces have gained. But the revolutionaries fighting an evil state will gain the sympathies of the people which is an advantage, as well as the sheer number of potential fighters, always much greater than the state's numbers if they can be organized sufficiently.
The key is that you can't act in this way and "want to get away with it."
This attitude is an extremely good example of why the average proletarian doesn't take left-wing action seriously in the U.S., if my last decade of personal and organizational interviews and conversations are to be of any particular insight.
They know that if they step out, their neck is on the line, and have absolutely no trust for leftists who are not willing to put their neck out there on the line first, publically and repeatedly. The proletariate are not stupid, they know what is at stake here, and the level of violence that can and will be used to protect it, but often activist leftists don't act as though they under that level of threat of violence. The words they say and picture of the world they paint do not match the level and fervor of action they take, when they decide to take action. It feels like they treat it as a social media game.
Op-sec is essential, but even more essential for the movement is, if you get caught, to stand by your convictions.
Not to try to downplay the tragedy and unfairness here, it fucking sucks to see this, but given the analysis, what exactly am I supposed to expect?
no digital communication about the action or between members
I would think that, surely, it should be possible to establish a secure method? It's one thing to not be able to use existing platforms, but an appropriately dedicated group could probably spin up their own encrypted messaging system?
Edit: ok, I see what you mean, they used the simple fact that the protesters used signal as part of the evidence against them. I was thinking in terms of securing your plans rather than protecting actors, which is of course also vital.
Screenshots are still a thing. The tradeoffs are real for secure messaging. At a certain point, someone has to see that packet A got sent from IP x.x.x.x to IP y.y.y.y. beyond that, metadata is hard to keep safe. Who messaged who when. The ways to make it more obscure, more encrypted, but at the end of the day you still have vectors that information can escape through. The biggest one is that a person you send message to takes a screenshot. Even if you secure everything so so much, you can't make it so someone can read it but can't record it. Take a picture of it, etc.
Check out briar, it does a pretty good job for a messenger, but tradeoffs are tradeoffs (e.g. recipient must be online to deliver messages). Also simplex ive heard good things about.
I mean, if the person you're communicating with is directly compromised in that way, you're fucked. They could just as easily be brought in to testify against you directly, or report on your activities to intelligence agencies, or whatever you're concerned about, no screen capture necessary. That's not really a technology issue.
they can pwn phones without finding a benedict arnold or infiltrating the group. or get over-the-shoulder from a surveillance camera, good thing we don't have millions of those around everywhere.
Re screenshots, people dont have to be compromised to take screenshots. "This message will go away and I want to remember it cause my memory isnt that good, I'll screenshot it". But yea if someone is directly working against you you're fucked. Most issues are social, not technological
gotta do your coordination in an online game and speak in code.
or stomach the division and you can probably just openly talk about shooting some government buildings.
Yeah true, it is possible, I shouldn't say never use digital comms, I mainly meant if you want to be sure that the message won't be intercepted or read back to you in court. Even if you have your own encrypted system, a person could be compromised and share the messages with authorities, or there could be some kind of other monitoring like a camera watching your screen. I just have trouble trusting that there isn't some kind of backdoor that could expose you that we don't know about yet. I doubt these people were thinking it was going to be that serious of an event though, it sounds like it wasn't exactly that planned out.
Also worth considering the precedent here that just using encrypted messaging was used as evidence against them, which is really super fucked.
code might be better than encryption for a while. imagine a lawyer trying to explain to a jury that "girl dinner 6-7 mogging the rizzless" really meant blowing up ted cruz's house
Damn it, my cell has to get a new code now. Thanks a lot.
People managed to organize before cell phones. Its called you set a meeting and everyone attends in person as agreed. Discuss IRL and then dont change your plans.
Call phones have really lowered the general ability of anybody to commit to anything. Before SMS became prevelant you could set social or political meetings weeks in advance. Like July 16 at 2pm, in the park. I'll bring ___, you'll research ___,whatever other tasks. And everyone just plan for that. Maybe confirm the night before with a phone call (also planned in advance). Now everything requires 50 text messages to nail people down.
Call phones have really lowered the general ability of anybody to commit to anything.
"Are we still on? I wasn't sure because I hadn't heard from you"
SHUT UP SHUT UP JUST COME TO THE THING WE FUCKING PLANNED 
Nearly every time I've attempted to push irl meetings at least one person has claimed it is ableist (even with masks) or classist (harder for some to travel). I still try though...
Actual paper, hand writing, wax seal. Pre-established protocols of communication and codes. You can make single use shared cyphers that have instructions on which cypher to use in the message itself. Change the code throughout the message, and burn the printed cypher, burn the message.
You can make single use shared cyphers
These are called one time pads for anyone who isn't familiar. It is actually an incredibly simple technique which can be done with pencil on paper if needed.
30 years for moving some pamphlets.
B-b-but! That's illegal! Those people have rights!!!
Not good folks.
I could make a joke about trots, but it's a fucked situation, so you'll have to imagine me saying it instead.
100 years for self defense
Death to amerikkka.
Many people are saying it
of course
Nazi collaborators, like Solzhenitsyn, recieved more lenient prison sentences than this.
Võ Thi Thang jpg

^this



if the goal to demonstrate solidarity, letters and loudspeakers seem safer, if the goal is to impose costs on the state, the healthcare of ice agents is bankrolled by the state; draw your own conclusions at what the tactic should be with the above and risk tolerance.
That's essentially a death sentence.
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