Having read the book, I absolutely loved the movie.
If you can’t stand Ryan Gosling then you probably shouldn’t watch the movie as he has like 90% of the screen time.
Also there’s a choice to balance between how much science you want to explain and character development and other plot points that must be made. But this is a personal opinion and I think they did a great job and I’m just glad they didn’t make it a trilogy or something.
every moment after the 10min mark is predictable. feels like i have watched this movie several times in other holywood blockbusters.
Didn't hate it, but thought the humor and cuteness detracted from it. The ending made me roll my eyes.
Felt the same about Predator: Badlands. I wanted a hardcore survival/revenge flick and it started out like that, but then you've got an android constantly cracking jokes and a cute little plush toy creature being cute all over the place and it kind of killed it for me. It's not just a Predator movie, it's the first one where the Predator is the main character. There shouldn't be cute and funny.
Same with a space survival movie with the extinction of multiple species on the line. I'm cool with a little humor cuz people do that to break tension, but it was pretty consistent throughout the entire movie.
I had pretty similar complaints. I went in completely blind expecting a sort of hard sci-fi realistic film or just more serious I guess. It didn't really feel serious or realistic at all and It felt like a lot of the movie was just trying to make the character cute like you mentioned. And like you say, it tried to be funny and it wasnt at all imo
You just described Joss Whedon script writing.
I tried watching it, but it feels very commercial and the lead actor seemed hammy to me. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. The Martian was decent, though.
Maybe I'll give it another shot some time.
This story is so much better than the Martian IMO
I listened to the entire 20 audiobook and I'm scared to watch the movie. I loved the book so much i dont want the visuals and interpretations in my head to be ruined.
Read the book, listened to the audiobook, and watched the movie. I'd skip the movie.
I liked the human starship in the film more than the one described in the book. Mostly because the movie ship had real switches and buttons (touchscreens are a terrible idea in space!). It looked more like the ISS.
As someone who is still in the same boat, a couple things I've heard:
Spoilered for those who haven't read/seen it
- the science is still there, but it's not the key focus (figures, most general audiences would get bored, it's still present but I expected them to dramatize it anyway)
- rocky is a little more "R2D2 meets puppy" he's useful but he's also meant to be a sort of emotional foil. (Think less, "we are two different people in the same situation" and more "oh wow I thought I was alone, what's this thing, what's that thing, wow wow wow")
- the core of the movie is still intact (hail Mary, we know the end when the rocket launched, let's save the world(s))
Overall, same treatment as The Martian, not as in depth as the book, but still worth the watch in its own way regardless
I loved the book, watched the movie with friends, loved the movie, too. It's not 1:1, but it is really worth the watch!
I read the book and watched the movie. For me it was 90% accurate for what I had imagined lol
I've been in that boat. If you're artistically inclined, maybe you could sketch out how you imagine some characters or scenes from the book. Then you can look back on them after the movie, to jog your memory. I went looking for fan art before the movie came out, and that helped me cement it as a story that has no official visual interpretation.
I watched the movie, fell in love, then read the book. Yes the book is better but they did an amazing job with the movie. You won't be disappointed. They took some minor liberties but nothing crazy.
Vials were put next to each other in the centrifuge.
Unwatchable.
Why couldn’t it be a fancy self balancing one?
I think this is a detail done on purpose. Presumably they actually just filmed a centrifuge, instead of faking it somehow. That means it must have been balanced, which means they balanced it another way just to film the "mistake." I think it's to get people to talk about this, which is incredibly minor, so people talk about how accurate it is by only having one stupid thing to complain about. Negatives spread a lot easier than positives on the internet.
OH MY GOD NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I'M NOT EVEN A BIOLOGIST!!!
Edit: OR A CHEMIST
Then you don't know that there's such a thing as a self balancing centrifuge.
People who get hung up on this particular detail need to get over it.
That one was not a self-balancing centrifuge.
It was a fictional centrifuge in a fictional world. 🙄
Pretty sure @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world was kidding :)
I don't even work anywhere near a lab. and I had the same reaction
Lol. I'm sorry to hear that was the detail in the movie that completely ruined it for you.
Books and movies simply aren't the same. Both the book and the movie were great for different reasons.
I loved the book and have been looking forward to this movie ever since it was announced, and it didn't disappoint. Project Hail Mary is probably going to end up being the best movie I'll see this year unless Spielberg's upcoming 'Disclosure Day' somehow manages to recapture the magic of 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' (1977). Which, I don't think is likely.
Backrooms comes out tonight too!
Didn't read the book, didn't like the movie.
Read the martian, didn't like it, didn't like the movie.
Maybe I just don't like Andy Weir?
I thought it was gonna be sort of a hard sci-fi movie going in completely blind and thought it was bad, maybe my fault. Seemed like half the movie was making a character seem cute. Also I wasn't expecting it to try and be funny and it tried and I thought it wasn't funny at all.
Obviously there is a couple of similarities but they are very different in style and direction. I have only watched the martian once but I have seen this twice already. I loved it. I read neither.
Its been a while since I saw a movie this good. Thre was soo much detail and thought into this movie and I Loved every bit of it.
Amaze Amaze Amaze.
I genuenly like when Sci-fi understands that language is not universal and that communication requires effort. Most other IP just hand waves it with a translator or tech because most audiences wont handle subtitles, PHM, Stargate movie film, and Darmok (Star Trek: NG - S5E2) get it, and I appreciate that.
Also they get the sound in space thing right. Loved the movie, the book has been added to my increasingly long audiobook queue...
There's still a lot of hand waving in PHM. I agree though, it's far better than most. This is a really good video on the topic.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-mwLAjsdgVM&pp=ygUaUHJvamVjdCBIYWlsIE1hcnkgbGluZ3VpZHQ%3D
Excellent book and excellent movie. Very faithful adaptation from book to film. I believe the author was involved in the production of the movie as well, but I can't find any explicit sources for that.
Didn't read the book, but loved the movie
NOTE: I've tried to keep this as spoiler-free as possible, but even so you may not want to read this until after you've seen the movie.
The movie was definitely good, but fell pretty short compared to the book, and especially when compared to The Martian's adaptation.
For one, the movie felt way too much like a comedy, almost like a Taika Waititi Marvel adaptation of the much more serious (but still very funny) book, which felt tonally weird and didn't really land for me. Even the weight of the reveal of
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Grace's refusal to go
was completely undercut by a tonally inappropriate, almost zany
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chase sequence
that robbed the scene of most of the pathos it should have had. Reminds me of this excellent video about how modern blockbusters seem allergic to sincerity to their detriment.
We also didn't like how much more useless the movie made Grace feel. The book went out of its way early to show that he was a resourceful, intelligent, excellent problem solver, and while there was certainly a bit of this in the movie, it still felt like Grace was pretty much useless, undeserving dead weight, and like he either completely lucked his way through or had to rely only on
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Rocky,
while in the book their partnership felt much more collaborative. All of this combined to make the reveal I mentioned earlier feel much darker/more depressing, because you get the impression that no, he really didn't deserve to be there, and then what he says at the end of the movie completely falls flat, because it felt like almost none of it was the result of his choices or character. Feels like it completely undercuts one of the main themes of the book, which is that he did deserve to be there, and that he was the right person for the job, even if he didn't think he was.
We also thought the movie omitted some of the book's best lines. "You can hear light?" is an all-time great line that still gives me shivers, and it definitely should have been in the movie.
Things we liked: 1. The movie was visually stunning - everything it was going for in the looks department it completely nailed. 2. One of the most important characters in the movie was very well done, in both design and characterization. Maybe a bit too manic, but that's a relatively small quibble in the larger context of just how well they did with him.
So yeah, very much an enjoyable two hours, but not as good as it should have been due to a few flawed adaptation decisions.
Interesting, as someone who didn't read the book,
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The chase sequence was one of my favorite parts! A few reasons:
- It didn't feel zany at all to me. I was focusing only on Ryland and felt his panic, to me his actions looked like an animal trying to run from certain death.
- The betrayal by everyone he worked with during that time made it a much more intense gut punch for me. Especially Carl.
- And most important: It felt true to his character. If he faced it stoically, it would have felt like fake Pathos to me. Instead it was a wonderful display of character growth (going from having to be dragged onto the ship to save billions, to risking his life and future to save his buddies' people).
the practical effects were very impressive
Yeah, the thing your first spoiler is mentioning really didn't do well for the flow of the movie at all. My gf and I looked at each other during this part and agreed it was a very awkward scene.
And not because we were bummed that the character would act that way. It's realistic. It was just done very strangely.
They went lighthearted and fun with the adaptation. I'm not sure how much i would have enjoyed the movie if i didn't read the book. But my friend that didn't read it liked it and said it was good.
I ended up having the opposite experience as your friend. I never read the book and went in blind thinking it would be akin to Interstellar. I was hugely disappointed. I wanted more science and drama, but instead it felt more like a modern marvel movie with never ending montages.
The montages killed me. Especially the "i like earth" one where theyre on... A rollercoaster? That Rocky can't even see? What the heck
Warning: SPOILER WARNINGS DO NOT READ if you haven't read the book or seen the movie and don't want spoilers!
Two hot takes from me:
I liked the book better than the movie. The movie was a lot of fun, but glossed over so much in favor of cool visuals and feel good time with the boys. I totally respect the choices and think the movie is great, I just like the book better. Think of it like a 7.5 vs 8 situation. Some details were missed that are crucial to the story I feel, but most people won't even pick up on those.
The story would have been better if Grace died in the end. The whole character arc is him being scared of dying, not wanting to go on something that is sure to be a suicide mission. He'd rather have a few decades on a dying war-torn world than try and save everyone, basically trading his life for the future of humanity. So they wipe his memory and their psychological profile says he'll do his job once he's there without any means to return. And they are totally right. But then he meets Rocky and all of a sudden has two planets to fight for, so he's very motivated at that point, even after he realizes everything that happened before. In the end he completes the missions, sends the Beatles drones ahead but tries to return to Earth himself as well. Even though there's a good chance he won't make it, as the coma life support system is kind of shit (but the best they have). We then come to the main character turning point of the story where Grace gets into some trouble but can handle it and realizes Rocky would be in bigger trouble and can't handle it. So he needs to decide to go back to Earth and give up on Rocky (who will certainly die), or try and go save Rocky but then give up on Earth and probably die himself once his life-support runs out. In the end he goes to save Rocky, thus proving he has changed and can put another life above his own. Character arc complete and we all clap. But then he doesn't die, sure there is some risk and in the book they mention the hard parts of keeping him fed and all (I loved the me-burgers), but he makes it and goes to teaching a couple of alien kids just like the good old days.
I can definitely understand the author wanting to end on a high note and doing a callback to the beginning of the book, but to me it undercuts the importance of the character change. He doesn't get his noble sacrifice and it almost seems like the risks of going with Rocky are smaller than going back to Earth. Rocky's planet is closer (IIRC) and his ship has a whole lot of tools and capabilities. Plus you have a useful companion to help solve problems. For me the decision would have been much more meaningful if he actually died.
That's one of the main criticism I have of Andy Weir in general: Problems are presented as huge and blocking, only to very soon if not immediately be solved. And this is even worse in the movies as compared to the books (Hail Mary and The Martian). There are almost no consequences ever and it all turns out good in the end. I think is is a deliberate choice and fits with the feel-good theme of the books (even though they touch on dark subjects), but to me it lessens the experience.
Bonus semi-hot take: The original character of Stratt in the book was a much better character than the one in the movie. She was one of my favorite characters in the book, but I didn't like her the movie. Also having known and worked with a lot of German and Dutch women in the past: Her role is way more fitting for a Dutch woman than a German one, I have no idea why they switched to her being German.
He's not terrified of dying in space. He's terrified of being alone. The irony of the story is that he finds more companionship twelve light years from earth with an alien than he ever had on his own planet. Grace had no living family, no close friends and no romantic partner. He sees others cynically because he has a rather poor self image and had really bad interpersonal experiences in the past. He wants company but doesnt tolerate others, he pushes people away but is mortally horrified of being alone. His closest and more admired fellow humans for him are his students because they represent his idealized hope for humanity. There's a whole section about this in a book chapter. They have curiosity, love for science and a strong sense of hope for the future, in the middle of a planet that is dying. They resolve their conflicts in mere moments, their biggest concerns are what's for lunch and at the end of the day, they go back to their parents. Grace finds his peace, and personal story arc, not from personal sacrifice, but by finding true companionship and friendship. Accepting the complexities that come from letting others into your life.
This also why Weir always goes for the happy ending. Why should Grace die in the end? Because it is more dramatic? Or is it because we have been programmed for decades to accept doom and gloom as the default? Is it because corporate slop wants us to accept the fate of the planet for profits? Weir rebels in the middle of a cultural zeitgeist filled with doomerism and dystopias. Every story that's turned "mature and realistic" is actually code for characters always being serious, everyone dies in the end, and dark monotone browns. It's a childish understanding of human nature. Mature storytelling is realizing that humans make jokes during tense moments, most of our moral problems are emotional and not technical, and maybe for once the hero gets to live after fulfilling his arc.
In the movie, he doesn't want to go because he doesn't believe in himself. Not because he would rather stay on earth and live longer. I don't recall if the book tried to express the same. But that is a pretty important difference from what you are saying.
it's basically the same reason in the book. He's just absolutely terrified. Enough that he would rather die horribly on earth than in space
It's been a while since I read the book. But I remember Grace thinking of himself and his actions with shame. He was selfish and a coward for not wanting to sign up for something with only a small chance of success. And even with success meaning he would have to die in space. It isn't that he wants to stay on Earth, which is rapidly becoming a shittier place every day. But he'd prefer that over going on the mission.
I don't know if calling it believing in himself is the right way of describing it tho. He obviously doubts he is the right man for the mission, but at the same time also has a physical reaction to the thought of going on a suicide mission. A mission where the best case scenario is that he dies. I would describe it more as a lack of character, something which he turns around in the end and finds the strength within he didn't know he had.
In the book Stratt makes a pretty convincing case, Grace admits this. But he chooses not to go, only for the issue to be forced. This part was done much better in the book than in the movie. Like another commenter said, in the movie it's treated almost as a joke. Instead of the absolutely horrible situation it actually is. And in the book we also get a lot more insight into Stratt. She cares for Grace in a way and feels for him, she understands his reasoning and also accepts this puts the burden on her to make it happen. She was chosen because she can make these kinds of calls, with the ends always justifying any means.
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