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[-] Thorry@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Warning: SPOILER WARNINGS DO NOT READ if you haven't read the book or seen the movie and don't want spoilers!

Two hot takes from me:

I liked the book better than the movie. The movie was a lot of fun, but glossed over so much in favor of cool visuals and feel good time with the boys. I totally respect the choices and think the movie is great, I just like the book better. Think of it like a 7.5 vs 8 situation. Some details were missed that are crucial to the story I feel, but most people won't even pick up on those.

The story would have been better if Grace died in the end. The whole character arc is him being scared of dying, not wanting to go on something that is sure to be a suicide mission. He'd rather have a few decades on a dying war-torn world than try and save everyone, basically trading his life for the future of humanity. So they wipe his memory and their psychological profile says he'll do his job once he's there without any means to return. And they are totally right. But then he meets Rocky and all of a sudden has two planets to fight for, so he's very motivated at that point, even after he realizes everything that happened before. In the end he completes the missions, sends the Beatles drones ahead but tries to return to Earth himself as well. Even though there's a good chance he won't make it, as the coma life support system is kind of shit (but the best they have). We then come to the main character turning point of the story where Grace gets into some trouble but can handle it and realizes Rocky would be in bigger trouble and can't handle it. So he needs to decide to go back to Earth and give up on Rocky (who will certainly die), or try and go save Rocky but then give up on Earth and probably die himself once his life-support runs out. In the end he goes to save Rocky, thus proving he has changed and can put another life above his own. Character arc complete and we all clap. But then he doesn't die, sure there is some risk and in the book they mention the hard parts of keeping him fed and all (I loved the me-burgers), but he makes it and goes to teaching a couple of alien kids just like the good old days.

I can definitely understand the author wanting to end on a high note and doing a callback to the beginning of the book, but to me it undercuts the importance of the character change. He doesn't get his noble sacrifice and it almost seems like the risks of going with Rocky are smaller than going back to Earth. Rocky's planet is closer (IIRC) and his ship has a whole lot of tools and capabilities. Plus you have a useful companion to help solve problems. For me the decision would have been much more meaningful if he actually died.

That's one of the main criticism I have of Andy Weir in general: Problems are presented as huge and blocking, only to very soon if not immediately be solved. And this is even worse in the movies as compared to the books (Hail Mary and The Martian). There are almost no consequences ever and it all turns out good in the end. I think is is a deliberate choice and fits with the feel-good theme of the books (even though they touch on dark subjects), but to me it lessens the experience.

Bonus semi-hot take: The original character of Stratt in the book was a much better character than the one in the movie. She was one of my favorite characters in the book, but I didn't like her the movie. Also having known and worked with a lot of German and Dutch women in the past: Her role is way more fitting for a Dutch woman than a German one, I have no idea why they switched to her being German.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

He's not terrified of dying in space. He's terrified of being alone. The irony of the story is that he finds more companionship twelve light years from earth with an alien than he ever had on his own planet. Grace had no living family, no close friends and no romantic partner. He sees others cynically because he has a rather poor self image and had really bad interpersonal experiences in the past. He wants company but doesnt tolerate others, he pushes people away but is mortally horrified of being alone. His closest and more admired fellow humans for him are his students because they represent his idealized hope for humanity. There's a whole section about this in a book chapter. They have curiosity, love for science and a strong sense of hope for the future, in the middle of a planet that is dying. They resolve their conflicts in mere moments, their biggest concerns are what's for lunch and at the end of the day, they go back to their parents. Grace finds his peace, and personal story arc, not from personal sacrifice, but by finding true companionship and friendship. Accepting the complexities that come from letting others into your life.

This also why Weir always goes for the happy ending. Why should Grace die in the end? Because it is more dramatic? Or is it because we have been programmed for decades to accept doom and gloom as the default? Is it because corporate slop wants us to accept the fate of the planet for profits? Weir rebels in the middle of a cultural zeitgeist filled with doomerism and dystopias. Every story that's turned "mature and realistic" is actually code for characters always being serious, everyone dies in the end, and dark monotone browns. It's a childish understanding of human nature. Mature storytelling is realizing that humans make jokes during tense moments, most of our moral problems are emotional and not technical, and maybe for once the hero gets to live after fulfilling his arc.

In the movie, he doesn't want to go because he doesn't believe in himself. Not because he would rather stay on earth and live longer. I don't recall if the book tried to express the same. But that is a pretty important difference from what you are saying.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

it's basically the same reason in the book. He's just absolutely terrified. Enough that he would rather die horribly on earth than in space

[-] Thorry@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

It's been a while since I read the book. But I remember Grace thinking of himself and his actions with shame. He was selfish and a coward for not wanting to sign up for something with only a small chance of success. And even with success meaning he would have to die in space. It isn't that he wants to stay on Earth, which is rapidly becoming a shittier place every day. But he'd prefer that over going on the mission.

I don't know if calling it believing in himself is the right way of describing it tho. He obviously doubts he is the right man for the mission, but at the same time also has a physical reaction to the thought of going on a suicide mission. A mission where the best case scenario is that he dies. I would describe it more as a lack of character, something which he turns around in the end and finds the strength within he didn't know he had.

In the book Stratt makes a pretty convincing case, Grace admits this. But he chooses not to go, only for the issue to be forced. This part was done much better in the book than in the movie. Like another commenter said, in the movie it's treated almost as a joke. Instead of the absolutely horrible situation it actually is. And in the book we also get a lot more insight into Stratt. She cares for Grace in a way and feels for him, she understands his reasoning and also accepts this puts the burden on her to make it happen. She was chosen because she can make these kinds of calls, with the ends always justifying any means.

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