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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There's a simple solution to this that I've seen some bars in my city do. Make all the cubicles and urinals gender-neutral and mark them as such.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 3 days ago

This seems like the obvious solution. An area for stand-up wees. An area for sit-down wees and poos. Everyone can wash their hands together in an open area.

No need to bring gender into expelling waste. Wouldn't be surprised to find modern toilets were invented by the Victorians so men wouldn't have to find out that women also shit.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

women also shit.

THEY WHAT?

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[-] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 12 points 2 days ago

Endless love to all trans people I've got your back ❤️ 💙 💜 💖 💗

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I hope all people who have a problem with ~~trans~~ LGBTQ people die peacefully in their sleep. Tonight.

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Never thought I'd ask this but... how do I determine the gender of my toilet? And how do I confirm it's cis-gendered?

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Toilet have a cloaca as long as they haven’t been neutered. To check the gender, slip your arm up the P-trap and feel for the glands. You’ll know what a dick feels like.

Most domesticated toilets are neutered at birth to prevent overpopulation and damage to the local sewage ecosystems.

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[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago

More anti-trans bullshit. I don't understand the darkness one must possess to come up with these legal machinations.

[-] mudkip@lemdro.id 28 points 3 days ago

They want trans genocide, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And every person who gives Rowling money or watches her show outside the high seas is directly complicit

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Why do gendered toilets exist anymore? It's the 21st century and we don't need them.

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[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 24 points 3 days ago

I thought that toilets were a primarily a public health concern. If they are not provided then unfortunate things start happening in secluded corners.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 15 points 3 days ago

Isn't that the goal here? Exclude people from toilets. They have to pee elsewhere. Arrest them for public urination or "indecent exposure". Maybe put them on some kind of sex offender list like the Americans are doing for people caught urinating in public. Spread fear about "trans sex offenders".

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago

As far as I can tell the UK is the only country in the whole of Europe following America down this specific insane moral and political rabbit-hole.

It's like they tried to get into the XXI century, failed and decided to go back to their time of greatness, the Victorian Era.

[-] YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

They do have a prominent billionaire who is bribing anyone to take up her anti-trans positions.

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[-] Aragaren@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Did I read it wrong or is all that is required to meet guidelines to implement gender neutral washrooms accrossed the board? I feel like this would have the opposite effect that the anti-trans movement wanted and I am here for it.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

According to a commentator, TERFs lobbied UK Gov to stop companies from building gender neutral toilets

The full comment was this:

The TERFs successfully lobbied the previous government to make exclusively gender neutral toilets illegal under Part T of the building code. Because exclusively gender neutral toilets don't discriminate against anybody and would therefore be acceptable to trans people and if the TERFs went dishonest far-right cranks, it would have presumably been on with them too, and it would have ended the culture war. That's why they had them banned, because it wasn't about toilets, changing rooms or sports, it was about keeping the culture war going to make life impossible for trans people.

So this is not just a clerical ramification, but a genocidal move. See my other comment.

[-] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Is anyone going to comment on the AI slop image used by the guardian?

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[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

For all the talking heads still "asking questions" and demonstrating absolute ignorance, if not bad faith, after all these years, here are some very tangible takes as to why bathroom bans means genocide.

If people are to use exclusively the restrooms that match their assigned at birth sex, then all people must be the sex that they are perceived to be. Trans advocates were not paranoid enough to imagine that the right wants to wipe trans people out of public life to such a degree, that no ambiguity about a person’s sex can further be possible, except for those “extremely rare genetic accidents” Ben Shapiro keeps talking about. Public erasure, however, of transgender and gender-nonconforming people amounts to the enforcement of cisgenderism by a state that defines sex as a natural binary with no exceptions, and no behavioral, nor performative, nor psychological deviations from the norm. (From my previous essay on this.)

The rest of this post comes from the real experts on the topic, the Lemkin institute for genocide prevention.

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Statement on the Genocidal Nature of the Gender Critical Movement’s Ideology and Practice

Genocidal ideologies are ideologies that deny or seek to erase the existence of a specific group because of the supposed threat it poses to the holders of the ideology.

Focusing primarily on the imagined threat posed by transgender women, gender critical ideologues believe that transgender women are in fact men who are seeking to dominate cisgender women (women whose sense of self corresponds with their birth sex) by impersonating them and thereby gaining access to women’s bathrooms, women’s locker rooms, women’s sports teams, and other women’s spaces.

Transgender women are represented as stealth border crossers who seek to defile the purity of cisgender women, much as Tutsi women were viewed in Hutu Power ideology and Jewish men in Nazi antisemitism.

Like the religious targets of genocidal violence, trans people are often described as somehow polluted, sinful, or against God.

A fundamentalist gender binary was a key feature of Nazi racial politics and genocide.

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Red Flag Alert on Anti-Trans and Intersex Rights in the UK

Since the ruling, “birth sex,” “biological sex,” and “natal sex” have all been used interchangeably, ignoring the multiple relevant components of biological sex and the existence of intersex people. Analysts immediately warned that the decision could be used to render single sex spaces off limits for trans people, including hospital wards, sports, and domestic violence shelters. For a group especially vulnerable to domestic violence, exclusion from specialised shelters is nothing short of cruel and could, in some cases, prove a death sentence. Transgender and intersex people may find themselves excluded not only from spaces of their current sex but also from spaces for their sex assigned at birth. Trans men would find themselves excluded from both male spaces on the basis of their assigned sex at birth, and female spaces if they are deemed to look too much like men.

The EHRC has, in the past few years, seemed to become a lobby group for erasing the rights of intersex and trans people on the basis of gender critical views. This has been explicitly confirmed by leader of the UK’s Official Opposition Kemi Badenoch. Following the UKSC Ruling, the EHRC erased decades of established practice protecting transgender and intersex people by taking a restrictive interpretation of the ruling in their interim guidance and refusing to consider the welfare of intersex or transgender people. The guidance dictates that anyone who is not binarily male or female is excluded from single sex spaces, ranging from public toilets to groups such as a single-gender choir. This interim guidance has been noted by the Good Law Project to be either wrong in law or a breach of human rights.

Those who have transitioned will be forced to choose between being someone who is either excluded from society or who lives a criminalised life shrouded in secrecy. If the law in the UK makes people living beyond sex and gender binaries second-class citizens, it will also lay the groundwork for increased genital mutilation of intersex infants and conversion therapy of transgender people.

All of the actions described above fit neatly into the 9th Pattern of Genocide: “Denial and/or Prevention of Identity.” As we have repeatedly stated over the years, genocide does not only manifest in the killing of an entire group. In the case of trans and intersex people, genocide is often perpetrated by making it impossible for individuals to exist as their true selves.

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Red Flag Alert for Genocide - USA

An apparently committed transphobe like Knowles may believe that transgender people are not real and are instead misled by something called “transgenderism,” so that by eradicating “transgenderism” he would not be eradicating a real identity. To that line of thought we can only note that the arrogance of determining which identities are real and not real, and therefore which identities can be slated for elimination, is already a giant step in the direction of genocide. Moreover, once an identity is determined to be illegitimate, criminal, and threatening, the killing of people with that identity is never far behind.

The Lemkin Institute reminds American voters and legislators that “the gender critical movement is a totalitarian and genocidal social force that targets not just transgender people, but also all the institutions of democracy that protect individual and collective human rights,”

Anti-trans legislation, anti-trans organizations, and the anti-trans movement must be fought forcefully in the name of saving lives as well as securing democratic institutions from the accelerating threat of fascism in the United States.

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Red Flag Alert 2 for the Anti-Trans Agenda of the Trump Administration in the United States

The anti-trans movement in the US has made it clear that it will not stop at banning gender affirming care for children. Emboldened by this Supreme Court decision, they will continue their attempts to restrict gender affirming care for adults as well. Furthermore, they will ramp up their attempts to erase trans identity through various non-medical policies, including bathroom bans, bans on conversations related to gender in schools, preventing schools and workplaces from using pronouns or names that don’t align with a person’s sex at birth, banning trans athletes from competition, and criminalizing dressing as a gender other than the one assigned at birth.

The Lemkin Institute reminds people that the genocidal process involves far more than just mass murder. Most genocidal processes involve complex policies aimed at actively and systematically obstructing an identity from manifesting itself within the social world through laws, decrees, speech acts, and practices enacted by groups in power. As a result of these acts, people within a threatened community cannot live publicly as who they are and community identity development becomes impossible.

Given that leaders in the anti-trans movement view trans people as internal enemies and U.S. President Donald Trump has identified them a national security threat, the recent Supreme Court decision can be seen as part of a much larger internal cleansing operation aimed at creating a white, heterosexual, cisgender ethnostate

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 120 points 4 days ago

Single-sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales and Scotland must exclude transgender men and women, according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog.

But the long-awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as gender-neutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.

I guess I’m naive to hope that a business would rather convert existing facilities to two multi-sex bathrooms rather than have to build and give up existing space to a third bathroom.

[-] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I hate, with a burning passion, the term "biological sex".

We have frankly, no fucking clue how our genetics and sex are intertwined.

We used to think it was "just chromosomes", but then we discovered "biological men" with double-X, or double-X and a Y, or vice-versa.

Or intersex individuals.

Then, we also got to consider that, say, a "biological woman" can transition to a "transgender man", which renders no change to their genes, just hormone levels, and they see physical development, voice deepening, hair growth, etc, just like a "biological man", or vice-versa.

In conclusion, "biological sex" is just another gross simplification created by people who's minds are so pathetic they can't comprehend reality and so choose to live by mantra founded in disproven pseudo-sciences, religion, and other excuses to avoid critical thinking, and then put themselves in positions of power.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 54 points 4 days ago

Doesn’t sound to me like you know the difference between sex and gender. We do have a pretty solid idea of how genetics and sex are intertwined, including intersex conditions. Gender is a whole different thing.

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[-] Wren@lemmy.today 26 points 3 days ago

This is going to make it so difficult to plan out businesses and buildings that everyone will end up with gender neutral bathrooms and spaces. It's my dream that all those lobby groups who think they're protecting women will have to shit next to every man, woman, femboy, adult baby, theydy, them, zem, furry and otherkin in the UK.

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[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'm having an argument with idiots here in Australia trying to "protect women". No joke, most of them are toxic blokes who are trying to be masculine. I even got told by one I'm not a man, because I should be protecting women.

In another thread, there was a guy who was posting back and forth telling me I was a guy dictating things.. whilst, I didn't even comment what should be done. I just commented that climbing gyms are running womxn nights for years without issue and it's a non issue is causing some of them to go nuts

In fact, they solved the dilemma entirely by just going unisex (and, the toilet cubicles are full length and mostly soundproof it feels like, so they're actually awesome

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why the fuck do these perverts care so much about what people do in a bathroom? How fucking weird

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[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

All of this is solved with just using more single occupancy bathrooms. Just an open hallway with rooms and toilets and changing stations. Sinks in the hallway.

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[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 days ago

single sex toilets must be forever prohibited from existing, says actual equality and human rights

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[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 68 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm curious how they'll handle enforcement. "Please present your genitals for inspection before entering"

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

So, a bathroom ban for the entire UK?

Did you guys see the US speed running a regression arc and decide to try your hand at it?

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