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[–] 120 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Single-sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales and Scotland must exclude transgender men and women, according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog.

But the long-awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as gender-neutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.

I guess I’m naive to hope that a business would rather convert existing facilities to two multi-sex bathrooms rather than have to build and give up existing space to a third bathroom.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (73 children)

    I hate, with a burning passion, the term "biological sex".

    We have frankly, no fucking clue how our genetics and sex are intertwined.

    We used to think it was "just chromosomes", but then we discovered "biological men" with double-X, or double-X and a Y, or vice-versa.

    Or intersex individuals.

    Then, we also got to consider that, say, a "biological woman" can transition to a "transgender man", which renders no change to their genes, just hormone levels, and they see physical development, voice deepening, hair growth, etc, just like a "biological man", or vice-versa.

    In conclusion, "biological sex" is just another gross simplification created by people who's minds are so pathetic they can't comprehend reality and so choose to live by mantra founded in disproven pseudo-sciences, religion, and other excuses to avoid critical thinking, and then put themselves in positions of power.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn’t sound to me like you know the difference between sex and gender. We do have a pretty solid idea of how genetics and sex are intertwined, including intersex conditions. Gender is a whole different thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    You're mostly correct, tho the bit about genetics (+++) and sex is a bellcurve meme... There's tons we don't know and a lot of it is a giant interconnected mesh of incredibly complex relationship we barely grasp with very little casual data, and just a tiny bit of epidemiological inference that we can almost try to reason from.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

    Can you explain further? I’m a biochemist / medical lab scientist, and between my studies in genetics, human sexuality, and endocrinology, it seems pretty well figured out. Between “normal” X/Y chromosomes, various chromosomal abnormalities (X, XXX, XXY, XYY, etc), and mutations like androgen insensitivity syndrome it seems there is significant causal data. Not sure if they’ve studied these with knockout mice but it’s well beyond inference at this point.

    I’m not sealioning here, it has been like a decade since I was actively learning this stuff and I’m sure there have been more discoveries. In general though it seems like we know the genetics, we know the hormones and receptors involved, the developmental process and various maladies are known, etc.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Biological sex is a dogwhistle made digestible to appease the apathetic moderate

    Edit: and this entire thread is proof of that 🍿

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (39 children)

    That isn't even a reliable indicator, and if it comes up, it is a discussion between the patient and the doctor and no one else. We have the language to be specific. Besides, doctors don't even know what to do with trans people regardless of gender or surgeries because all medical research on the topic has been blocked, erased, or burned by knuckledraggers

    (MTF) When I go to doctors I have to explain to them that if they run my bloodwork as Male, every single damn metric on it is going to be flashing bright red. When it's run as Female, I can get actual data out of it. Also guess who you go to if you have titty problems.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    I totally understand what you’re saying, but if you take gender out of it and just think about humans as any other animal, you could classify animals with penises and animals with vaginas separately especially if you’re breeding them. The AI overlords won’t care when they’re breeding us.

    EDIT: two types of genitalia instead of just penis and vagina. And not all but many animals.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    ...and animals with both, and animals with neither, and...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    I’m not entirely sure what point you’re making, when sex reassignment surgery exists.

    Not all trans people get it, sure, but many trans men have dicks and many trans women have vaginas. These usually align cosmetically but will have functional differences to their cis counterparts. Where would you crudely sort such people?

    There’s also genital nullification surgery (think Barbie doll - nothing at all).

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t like it by association, because most of the time I hear it used by intolerant people (like right wing assholes on the “news”). Sometimes, though, I hear it used without malice, presumably because people don’t know what else to say.

    Pardon my ignorance, but what term would you suggest instead? Birth sex? Assigned sex? Something else?

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