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[–] 223 points 3 months ago (5 children)

First it was crypto, now it's AI.

Two stupid fucking things we never wanted.

Fuck every crypto bro and every AI enthusiast.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago*

    Right wing lunatics are big in both.

    Crypto because the hurrdurr keep gubmint outta my lyfe shit (despite the fact that crypto is infinitely more easy to track than cash..), and AI because they hate liberal reality, so AI lets them generate all the videos they could hope to have to validate their fake victimhoods.

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    [–] 124 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I feel bad for people working in manufacturing for parts like cases or cooling systems. When nobody builds PCs anymore, nobody buys their products either and they go out of business for good.

    This whole AI mess is killing gaming as we know it.

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    [–] 83 points 3 months ago (28 children)

    I'm surprised that so many (40%) have plans to build a new PC in next two years. Especially because we are talking about PC Gamers, who are already PC Gamers. I would assume that most either do not, or upgrade instead build a new PC. From those 40% of 1.5k tomshardware readers who participated in the survey, I wonder in what state their PC are and if they HAVE to build a new PC or they just have a lot of money around and can afford it. Do they sell the old system or parts of it? Unfortunately these are unanswered at the moment.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    In online communities at least, people seem to be keen to stay on the cutting edge and always have the best and shiniest. Toms Hardware is going to attract this very audience.

    I accept that I'm probably too far the other way on the spectrum of patient gamers......but people don't seem to think of the utility of the item and rather stay obsessed with "10% performance gains". For the vast majority of people, phones, laptops and computers can easily last over 5 years (sometimes 10 years depending on use case).

    Although these frequent upgraders do give a good stock of items for people like me to pick up and stay in the sweetspot of positioning behind the frontline of cutting edge products on the secondhand market.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Anecdotally but several of my friends build a new PC and then slide their old one to siblings who game but don't need high end

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    It's way easier to get rid of an entire computer second hand than it is bespoke parts that you've replaced, so this is what I do too. I used to be on a 4-year cadence with new PCs, but then I kept getting more and more mileage out of my machines, since graphics don't leap forward so quickly like they used to. My current machine is 5 years old and still runs the latest games on high settings.

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    [–] 52 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The other 39% are optimistically hoping the bubble will pop within that 2 years and there will still be a market to buy from.

    I have no such illusions - but a bit of me wonders if, possibly, this may drive the pc market back in the direction of its origins:

    Devs were incentivised to write more efficient, leaner code because resources were expensive.

    PC users focused on squeezing every. goddamn. drop. of performance out of their existing gear. Overclocking wasnt about making your 200 fps into 300 - it was about making that aging beast play something it had no right to even run.

    I dont look forward to the coming days with any optimism... but maybe this whole scene needed a purging fire to foster new growth and diversity.

    Or maybe we'll just purge the source of these issues. Or both. Both would be nice. I can dream.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Don't worry they'll turn their datacenters into virtual PC hosting so that people who can't afford to upgrade will have to rent the hardware...

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Middleman all the things. It pains me to say that, in all likelihood, this period of time will be known for nothing but reinventing something that already exists - making a worse version of it - then enshitify.

    What blows me away is while most people read dystopian stories and view them as cautionary tales... these rejects are using it as a framework.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    "We finally succeeded in building the 'Torment Nexus', inspired by the book 'Don't create the Torment Nexus'."

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Dont forget how many of these twats name their companies after shit that literally screams "we are the baddies."

    Goodness who ever would have thought that "child crushers inc :)" would be crushing children?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That plus the ever growing push for device linked personal ID on personally owned device feels like the real end goal. Governments can already snoop all web traffic. Now they want to close the gap on device level surveillance by pushing more and more people towards renting virtual devices with traceable payment methods. For people who don't, device link to personal ID means they no longer have any of that mess of having to prove ownership or who took the action.

    Removing the tinfoil hat though, I really hope this causes cloud resource cost to drop through the floor.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    It was always about control. No tin foil. Just reality. When you get to these levels of disproportionate power, greed, and corruption... you need to be able to quickly "stamp out" anything that even vauguely looks like a threat.

    They dont want us to communicate. Obviously. Communication leads to revolution. No secrets. No encryption. No rights. Be a good drone and keep your head down. Smile for the cameras.

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    [–] 52 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    hopefully this wont end with pc component market drying completely so companies can force us to use their stupid remote pc crap.

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    [–] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Switching to Linux breathed new life into my current, newest machine, built in 2019. I lost track of time, and didn't realize it had been that long, but it runs fine and does what I want it to do, so why blow money on a new machine?

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    [–] 30 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I upgraded my 8 year rig right when Trump was elected thinking tariffs would screw me. Did not forsee AI being the bigger factor

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    [+] 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 28 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's not like we didn't have a near infinite amount of games available from retro 8bit games all the way to the latest and greatest. Honestly, there's enough games or there that don't require high end PCs to play.

    Heck, I got a long ass list of games I bought nearly 10 years ago that I haven't ended played yet because I bought so many. On PC and Switch!

    I'm good.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago*

    It's hard to believe that my PC build in 2023 was $1000 and now it is upwards of $2100 (some parts have no price available).

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I run my boxes for so long I end up having to basically build a whole new rig by the time it is obsolete thanks to socket, RAM and GPU changes. Feels like it almost defeats the purpose of rolling your own. I mostly just use my Steam Deck at this point. Tired of keeping up with all that combined with shortages.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is what I've done for 35 years. My current build is almost seven years old. My previous build, now 12 years old, is my current media server, the ones before that are recycled.

    Also, by the time I build a new one, I need to research everything all over again, because it's all changed so much. I don't keep up with the hardware very well between builds.

    I don't think this defeats the purpose, as I don't expect a computer to last forever. I do reuse what few parts I can, such as power supplies, cases, fans, and hard drives.

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    [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    I started putting together a RAID, got the housing and the first drive, the plan was to buy a drive with each paycheck until I had the 4 drives I need. The first drive was like $250, arrived last week. Then I checked the price this week and the same drive is now $650.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    I'm rocking a 14 year old CPU (3570k), 16gb of DDR3 and a gtx1070 (non-ti).

    I was so god damn stoked to build a new machine this year, only to watch first ddr5 then ddr4 soar our of my price range...

    Now even the used stuff around me is jumping in price, with mobo cpu ram deals getting scooped up only for the ram to pop back up at twice the price the next day.

    Fuck AI.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    builds a new PC.

    continues to play Half Life 2.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Fractal North is still the prettiest PC case I've ever seen. I'm very happy with mine.

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    [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    My rig is 10y old but it doesn’t actually feel all that old thanks to Linux; I also play mostly 2d games so that probably helps. Needless to say I’m overdue for an upgrade but that prob won’t happen anytime soon now :(

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It's wild, like people get into things when there is novelty and affordability and then leave when one of those goes away.

    My biggest question now is, what will supplant PC building/other super high end stuff? I grew up on Halo and early CoDs, but now that I'm old and suck at video games (particularly online multiplayer), and seeing a huge shift toward battle royale and dark souls style gameplay, I felt like I was long overdue to start reading more/working out more/hiking/etc.

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    [+] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Both in the sense that you'll be able to get a decent playable experience on fairly low end hardware and still have the option to turn on all the eye candy if your hardware supports it. A recent example is Pragmata that can be played on the switch but also looks worlds better on high end hardware.

    Game devs will have to take optimization and scalability seriously for the next few years if they want to make any money at all.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm ready to be on ye ole am4 for at least another decade..... I see no reason to upgrade any time soon. If prices crash in 27 or 28 and upgrading to am5 became financially realistic id consider it but I realistically just don't see that happening

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    [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My rig still runs all of my favorite 2D indie games, so I'm good.

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    "60% of gamers have no plans to build a computer for the foreseeable future." The unspoken part is, "and the hardware manufacturers don't care". Maybe they will after the bubble pops, or maybe not.

    I just bought a mini desktop-- Ryzen 5 with 16Gb memory and 1Tb SSD. It cost me almost $500US. It probably was $100 less last year. I'm not a gamer, but I do make heavy use of 3D CAD and sometimes with large assemblies. And my old Nitro 5 and 1650 nVidia had been starting to struggle.

    I do like my new little computer, with Aurora 44 installed, win11 was aborted on first boot, it's a snappy little box despite the modest specs. The downside is, there isn't enough time to make a cuppa tea while waiting on a model regen.

    And who knows, I may live long enough to afford another stick of ram, or I may win the lottery someday-- assuming I buy a lottery ticket first.

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    [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I know is probably not possible, but I wish a competitor manufacturer would rise during this times and when the bubble pops we would let these worms starve.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    competitor manufacturer

    There's Chinese ram that's becoming good. But that doesn't mean Americans will be allowed to buy it.

    But really gamers are the worst about consumerism. Nvidia is the worst and gamers keep going back. Steve from Gamer's Nexus had a funny chart in one of his videos a year or so ago. It was a flow chart about gamer spending on hardware showing all the advantages of AMD and Intel in gaming with a big arrow at the bottom that was labeled something like "And then you ignore everything and give all your money to Nvidia."

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    At this rate I will end up downgrading when something breaks instead and just turn graphics down a bit.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    In the other 40% there's the people that, like me, built a good future proof pc several years ago (mine is 10 years old) and it still plays what I like but it's showing signs of aging. One day, it will stop working.

    I'm just praying it holds up for a couple more years because otherwise I'm screwed.

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    [–] 10 points 3 months ago*

    Dodged the crypto gold rush twice by managing to buy my GPUs before they happened. The last hard drive purchase was more than a year ago, a 2TB Seagate to replace a damaged one. The PC I'm on now was built four years ago, and the most pricey upgrade was getting a 5700X3D.

    Now I think I'll have to be more careful while I use my PC, because we're back to 1995 pricing.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    40% of PC gamers plan on building an entirely new PC in the next 2 years? That seems like a lot. I thought gamers just upgraded for like 10-15 years.

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    [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Glad I upgraded mine before all this shit started. Barring disaster it should play games for years. I don't need all the bells and whistles.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    We sold our last desktop before doing a huge move and bought a temp laptop. Now we’re unable to get a desktop because of pricing. Our last desktop cost about 750usd to build and it was pretty good specs for the time. Now the same parts would be 1500… bruh and we wanted to upgrade the whole system… seems like we’ll have to make our temporary laptop semi permanent

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