If you read the above headline without thinking it's insane, chances are you are American.
No developed country is as insane as USA, not even close, not even remotely close.
If you are sick, you shouldn't need to fight for treatment, only in a sick society is that necessary.
Land of the fee. Home of the [wage] slave.
"America" isn't the only country with these issues
My family emigrated from China... its about the same on the other side of the ocean... (honestly don't know what the "free healthcare in China" stuff came from... certaintly didn't apply to my family from Taishan with Taishan Hukou)
They're so used to this lol, they think this is just normal
Also: Young people are expected to fund their parents retirement... its a crime to just abandon your elderly parents who cannot afford their living (unless you have proof of abuse)
China is coming from extreme poverty and a feudal society until not that long ago, and is a different culture. USA is coming mostly from European culture, but is doing worse in this field than any European country, despite being far richer than most European countries.
China has made a lot of progress the past 50 years, conditions in China are now without comparison better now than they were 50 years ago. In USA conditions are in many ways worse for the average worker than they were 50 years ago.
honestly don’t know what the “free healthcare in China” stuff came from
I have no idea what you mean. AFAIK China does not have healthcare for all, or free healthcare. But apart from that IDK how healthcare actually works in China.
I have no idea what you mean. AFAIK China does not have healthcare for all, or free healthcare. But apart from that IDK how healthcare actually works in China.
Common rhetoric I get told in the Fediverse... I mean if you look in World News comms, you'll see those...
Which just confuses the fuck out of me since its a contradiction to my parents first-hand accounts (and also some of what gets told by my aunts (and other relatives/people in my parent's social circle in China))
I see the world news sub every day, and I have never seen that claim.
I've never heard healthcare is free in China, but I have heard it is much much more affordable there. Again, I've never been, but that's not a hard bar to clear in comparison to the USA.
Who says there is free healthcare in China?
Every workplace accident I've had has been denied at first due to technicalities. In France, touted as the great communist system where you pay nothing (which is of course wrong).
In the workplace you hopefully had help from your union. Americans rarely have that luxury.
Also it's only in USA that France might be considered communist, because that's completely moronic extreme right propaganda, since France has a free market economy like the rest of EU.
At least in EU insurance is under better regulation than in USA, but it still sucks to have to make insurance claims, that the insurance company has every interest in rejecting.
Unions at least know good lawyers but it wasn't necessary at all, the first denial was just to waste my time. Sadly union membership in France is becoming insignificant so they're not as good as they once were.
And I was saying France is “communist” in jest.
The regulation is all right in France but insurance definitely has some very favourable laws (many delays for notifying them are quite short to the point where with shortages of GPs you have to waste everyone's time at the ER if you really need to be off work).
I live in America, and healthcare is free in my country.
I think most countries in America have free State healthcare.
No you don't, you probably live in the Americas, huge difference. The language we use here is English, and unless you live in USA, you don't live in America by definition of how English works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
The United States of America (USA), also known as the United States (U.S.) or America
This is how the word America is used in English, completely disregarding whether you like it or not.
Non Americans
No. We absolutely should not know how to do this. Because our elected officials should be working to curb Insurance Corporations and Corporat abuse and fraud in the most general sen..... Oh wtf am I talking about. Just hoping when I get sick its a fast death
yeah it would be cool to not die painfully while waiting for that. quickly sure but maybe not neurodegenerative disease or smthg
The new American Dream
1000% agree with you. But this is the old dilema of being idealistic vs being practical:
Yes, there is abuse and it is horrendous. Yes, the system must be changed. But if you are ill, right now, you shouldn't try to change the system, you should try to get better. And even when it is sad to have to resort to these tactics. It is practical to use them, given the current state of affairs.
Luigi
I once owed $1100 for bloodwork a teledoc ordered. I had a wellness exam and they ordered a bunch of bloodwork which I got done at a major well known national lab. My insurance said the claim is out of network and refused to pay on some of the bloodwork orders.
Although my teledoc was licensed to practice medicine in my home state, my insurance plan stated it is billed for the providers primary state. In that state, my insurance plan is not contracted with the lab that it's contracted in my state.
I know someone who works for a major insurance company in the US, in the appeals department. I don't know the intimate details of everything about their job, but one thing I always remembered is if you have an expedited appeal (for a medical emergency), and they're requesting documents that you don't send within the 72 hour deadline an expedited appeal has, the denial gets an automatic administrative overturn - the appeal is approved. Presumably for liability reasons, combined with that the company gets fined if an expedited appeal takes over 72 hours to process. Potentially a usable strategy if you have an expedited appeal that's weak enough to have a chance of the denial being upheld in the end, and they're also requesting documents. Probably a pretty rare combination of factors though.
But I've also been told by them that most denials end up being overturned on appeal in the end. And that they see people appealing denials on a daily basis, where they were denied the absolute stupidest reasons - people who obviously should never have been denied in the first place. Hard to say if this means most denials are bullshit, or if it just means people only bother trying to appeal the most obviously bullshit ones.
In any case, it is just companies just dragging the process to make people tired and hopeless...
That on itself is pure evil: to mentally abuse people already in mental distress and potentially fighting for their lives.
I work in pharmacy, and what I see between prescription prices and insurance adjudication processes... it's a fucking eugenics program, plain and simple. I feel awful for people who need insulin and adhd medication in particular.
I’m going to assume it says that we shouldn’t use ‘the Mangione method’.
Yeah... it is basically a practical guide to fight within the current (evil) system.
Definitely something nobody should need to do in a civilized society.
insurances
I think mass nouns do not work like that.
thanks! Fixed
No, I don't need them. We have real healthcare here.
That's awesome! Where are you from? Could you please share a bit about how things work where you live?
I pay somewhere around €500 a month in health insurance. This insurance is mandatory, the payment depends on income, is free for people who cannot afford it, and covers my whole family.
Co-pays are minimal: €5 for prescribed medication, €10 per day in hospital. Some stuff cost extra, if you want something beyond basic services. I pay e.g. for better fillings (non-amalgan) at the dentist, 50-80€. Dentures and such are pricy, but there are extra insurances you can buy for that.
The copays sound super reasonable. Based on the currency, I assume it is Europe. May we know which country?
Germany.
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Why did you write "hunter2" so many times?
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Link to Article?
It's a youtube video. I don't think there is a written article
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