Am I wrong that the yanks are so cooked that Hasan is still undeniably a good presence in their politics? The guy has gotten fairly close to normalizing the idea of "America deserved 9/11 for its imperialism," if not just getting it broadcast wide and loud.

I'm a cynic when it comes to American politics, and that informs my view of Hasan in terms of weighing up his good vs his bad. From where I'm standing, he's spreading the good tankie word, which is undeniably good. His bad is that his reformist politics will get yanks nowhere. I think it's a fair trade off.

t. guy who doesn't watch streamers, all of my hasan knowledge is osmosis

At first when I read the tweet, I thought the OP was criticizing Hasan. The tweeter who posted this clip believes that there shouldn't be a third party in the US, also the tweeter is Canadian. That tweeter is a huge Hasan fan and many of the tweets are thirsting for Hasan. In the 10 minute video, Hasan says that he's not against a communist party forming in the United States. Then he says that his involvement with Democrat Party shit is because he thinks it will increase people's political awareness.

The second clip he says "Yeah i don't care man" in a dismissive tone, meaning that he doesn't care what the chatter thinks. The chatter presents a hypothetical that Platner would have killed 200 girls and Hasan dismisses the hypothetical. The clipper is trying to make it seem like Hasan supports killing girls but Hasan is saying that he doesn't care to entertain the hypothetical. Hasan obviously doesn't like that the US bombed an Iranian school, killing 160 girls. He says that all the time.

You can tell that the first tweeter is a fan because the clip is 10 minutes long. Haters aren't going to watch a 10 minute clip. You can tell that the second tweeter is a hater because they posted a 7 second clip. The 7 second clip is short so that you don't get any sense of context. It is meant to deceive the viewer.

Graham Platner is a war criminal. It's kind of funny how much Establishment Democrats are talking about Hasan. It doesn't really matter what Hasan thinks. He can't stop you from organizing into a new party.

You should organize a communist party.

Watching HasanAbi on Palestine: "This guy's pretty good, maybe I'll give this streamer shit a try!"

Watching HasanAbi on Graham Platner: "... jesus fucking christ all those fucking nerds who told me to read Settlers were right god fucking damnit ..."

Where are the posters who keep telling me he isn't a liberal?

Show yourselves cowards.

The phrase that (to me) gives the best explanation of entryism:

"Which is more likely? That one person will change the minds of an entire institution with hundreds of people, or will an institution change the class interests of one person?"

It's 2026 and Piker thinks the dems can be rehabilitated.

Just looking at this thread and wow. Who knew all the dnc needed was a dude with a nazi tattoo and multiple tours in the middle east (literally for the love of the game) talking about free healthcare to get the leftists on their side.

Lately, week after week of chapo has been just ‘you have to hand it to Tucker’, ‘you have to hand it Graham Plattner’, hey look I’m Felix and I describe myself as racist in a half-joking manner.

You can have your (((real))) working class and free healthcare, I’ll be here not voting for the democrats because they turned the racism dial up. So the criticism of libs only hinged on how embarrassing anti-bigotry is, even when it’s only lip service. Guess I am pretty lib after all .

And it’s always the self described Marxists, always adhering to some ridiculous orthodoxy to browbeat minorities. Man, from now on, if you don’t label yourself a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist, I don’t give a fuck about what you have to say about class consciousness or anti-imperialism because you’re probably some fucking tool.

It is correct to say it's futile to seek state or federal office as a leftist third party. It's simply not in the cards and electing a handful of commies to the house of representatives isn't going to do anything. I truly do believe it's a waste of time and resources.

Any leftist organization in the United States should only seek federal political office as propaganda or disruption, not to realistically gain votes. Local politics though are another game and it's very valid for leftists to run for city council, school board, that kind of thing. That stuff is actually important and within reach. I'd expect any leftist organization with sufficient infrastructure and membership to at least engage with local electoral politics. Like at least go to city council meetings or whatever your city might have. At least try things like that if you have the people and time available.

But also leftist orgs in the US are usually so thin and stretched that they already have their hands full just doing basic day to day admin type things. It's hard out there and there simply aren't a lot of us. There are way, way more of us than 15 years ago but leftism in the US is still more of an ambient subconscious anger than any sort of militant force to be wielded.

Honestly at this point if the permanent third partyists can't show their work and demonstrate a viable, convincing road map that could propel a vanguard working class party into the national mainstream of electoral politics; then yes get used to being dismissed by people who take the material and sociopolitical conditions of this dying empire seriously

To say nothing of the fact that the actual debate and crux of the struggle is over whether entryism into the Democratic Party will reform it or blow it up

I'm firmly in the camp that says the neoliberals of the DNC will never accept compromise and so will destroy the party at the first sign of a shift toward soc dem (let alone socialist) politics, thereby creating room and a seedbed for sucesssful national-scale third party politics

But to get there from here, requires engaging in electoral politics

i mean

there is literally no point to trying to organize a third party in american politics? the whole electorial system is fucked, trying to make the genocide party "good" is just as reasonable as trying to make a third party that is "good" and has any chance of getting traction anywhere (which is to say, not particularly reasonable)

idk maybe i dont know enough about american politics but i had no idea people were advocating for a third party

I'm growing more and more tired of hearing about this man every day.

At this point I see Hasan’s entryism as partial naivety and partial survival tactics. He’s smart but he’s still just a (privileged) guy whose family is from Turkey. I don’t blame anyone for being slow to come around to the idea of a third party because I think we’ve only recently started living in a time where such a thing was possible. I don’t know if it’s a conscientious thing either but I think if he was openly building a third party this time he would have been assassinated years ago.

I'm kind of done listening to people tell me what Hasan said because they're always just making shit up.

That being said, anyone actually watch the 10 min clip and hear what he actually said? I mean literally someone tell me because I also cannot be bothered to listen to it.

I've seen hasan irl and he's not even that handsome

I'm sorry but I've never liked Hasen but I don't like debate me bro culture. Its just parasocial all the way down. I also think it makes people think they are part of something that doesn't actually have any material gain.

Then you have the fact that if you try to criticize him in anyway. cause he's a human and does have shit takes in his years of debate me bro work. You are going to be dogpiled by said parasocial addicted people who are upset that you dared said anything bad about their poor streamer.

I honestly hate that liberals have made defending the dude a issue at all.

I really wish we wouldnt put single people on diamond made pedestals