On an aircraft carrier they sleep 100 people per room in bunks stacked 3 high with 30 inches of height per person.
Flu / measles / covid would rip through that environment like a wildfire.
Covid did that on one of the aircraft carriers, so bad that the CO defied orders to not deboard his sailors, and got fired for it. He probably saved hundreds of lives.
[He] got fired for it. He probably saved hundreds of lives.
Those two statements should not go together and I hate that they do.
True, but I prefer them to make that learning with a bunch of young, healthy men with healthcare instead of old people. I mean, if they are even able to learn something.
They are literally unlearning what we already know (I assume it's mostly for propaganda reasons, but maybe I'm giving them too much evil credits on the evil-vs-dumb scale).
They seem to need a refresher from time to time.
A lot of people also don’t realize there’s different kinds of flu that the flu shot covers. If you influenza B or C you might feel a bit cruddy and pass that along but be mostly ok over all. If you get influenza A or some other baddie novel version be prepared to be knocked on your ass for days with a fever over 100 feeling like death and infecting anyone in a 30 yard radius. I got flu A once and that’s enough to know I never want to do that again, 103 fever for days and it broke like 12 hours before my doctor said I would need to go to the hospital if it didn’t come down. It’s scary shit
My experience of a bad flu was that firstbI felt bad, then I started worrying I was gonna die, and finally to worrying I was not going to die just had to live like that.
I was also coughing up leftover shit for like 2 months after getting over it.
Virologists dream scenario
I used to be very lackadaisical about my flu vaccines. I'd get them if they came to my office, for example, but I'd never make appointments myself.
Then, about 20 years ago, I had a job where they wanted me to have a note from a doctor if I called in sick. I knew I was sick with something, probably contagious, but I wasn't feeling very bad. But since I thought it was probably contagious, I didn't think I should go in. So, that was the first time I went to the doctor for something that I'd call a cold. The doctor ran some tests, and diagnosed me with influenza.
It was at that point that I realized I needed to be careful and make sure I get the flu shot every year. The thought I had was, "I can't tell the difference between a cold and the flu, but for some people, the flu is deadly. I don't want to be responsible for somebody else getting gravely sick, so I have to start making an effort to get the flu shot every year."
Since then, I haven't gotten that yearly cold that I used to get, which I now know was probably the flu. So, it's been good for me... but I do it because I don't want to be the cause for other people suffering.
It's just so weird, isn't it? This decision by Pete Hegseth will almost certainly cause some deaths. Even if it's not the soldiers, maybe it's their small children. Maybe it's their parents. Maybe it's the people they meet when they're deployed somewhere. We'd literally be better off if we appointed a coma patient rather than Hegseth.
Thanks for sharing that, and thank you for being a considerate member of society.
I appreciate the realization and change of behavior, that's the mark of a mature person. However, the situation that enlightened you just makes me so God damn mad. Fuck that place, make sure to request a meeting with as many policy makers as possible, open cough in the room, wipe your nose and shake their hand. There is no reason, especially in the shit healthcare environment we have, to require a Drs note for an absence from work. If I have the PTO, great, pay me. If I don't, fucking thank me for not coming in and getting the rest of the staff sick. Ok toilet rant over thanks again for being a good person.
If it makes you feel any better, I left that company less than 6 months after that incident, and within a few months after I left, it went out of business.
In other countries you're required to bring a doctor's note because then you'd get paid time off without spending your "vacation" PTO.
I mean to be fair George Washington was literally Br*tish.
This rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper... what else have they been hiding from us!? Next they'll tell us the Founding Fathers read political philosophy and other nerd shit instead of being divinely inspired 😭
i bet someone's gonna say something crazy like that bicameralism was an Iroquois innovation
I mean that's not that crazy of a claim, just mostly incoorect. The Six Nations had the matriarchs that made all the rules for peacetime and decided when they went to war, and they had the War Chiefs that handled the Braves and led the hunting parties. It's kinda a bicameral system, at least there were definitely two separate groups that dealt with different aspects of life. Ultimately the matriarchs were in charge though, so that pretty well throws out the idea of a bicameral system.
That would be strange considering English bicameralism predates the European discovery of the Americas.
Why did the Br*ts name him after an American city though? 🤔
Georgetown?
I'll give it 5 years. The rulers will make modern medicine so difficult to get, most of us will just give in and settle for homeopathy and horse drugs.
That’s how Russia works
"Jimmy Carter is smarter..".
"Literally chewed gum swimming in dog poop is better than pretty much any of the various clowns claiming to be Republican".
Just two sayings.
Weighs a fucking ton
Small pox is quite different from the flu lol
So is the treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation
For smallpox, they’d infect a break in your skin, deliberately. With actual smallpox. It was less likely to kill you, but absolutely possible and quite miserable.
But principle is the same. Outbreaks dramatically weaken war fighting capabilities, even if it’s “just” influenza. The history of warfare is littered with thousands of examples. For instance:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/flu
…Which is why this is so egregious. Vaccination (compared to smallpox inoculation) is trivially easy in comparison to the decision Washington faced, and influenza has a long, grim history in the US military. No sane general would throw away such an easy, and historic, warfighting advantage.
Yeah and maybe if more people got flu vaccines we could get rid of it like we did smallpox.
Vaccines work regardless of the illness.
Well, flu vaccine is indeed a very complex topic. Effectiveness fluctuates from season to season and it is recommended by WHO for kids, elderly, severely sickened individuals.
It's recommended for critical demographics especially by the WHO because of limited availability in some contexts and greater risks for said demographics, not because flu shots aren't recommended for non-critical demographics.
I recommend reading about the so called "Spanish Flu". It cilled several million, mostly young and healthy people. Good luck if your army caches this type of flu during war.
No offense, but leave this condescending tone to your kids.
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