From the Bluesky thread
I had no idea a company could just decline to recall a toxic product!
Yes, most recalls are voluntary at the FDA's request. And most companies comply due to fear of litigation. But recently I've seen more refusals, notably by supplement manufacturers and other "health food" companies.
Now this here is what really grinds my gears about raw milk products becoming the chud grift de jour. Raw milk cheese has long been a thing, and the cheeses made like this are delicious, top quality stuff. I actually know raw milk cheese makers who have been doing their job for over 40 years, winning prizes and keeping these complex, artisanal cheeses alive in a system that demands standardization, and the death of all craft because of the race to the bottom.
And you know what all of these old-school raw milk cheese makers have in common? They are obsessed with hygiene. They will clean their work surfaces, the milking equipment, double, triple clean, and then clean again for good measure. I've worked in very clean kitchens and chemical labs, and seeing them clean made me feel like a slob. Because the only way to make any raw milk cheese is to be the cleanest you could possibly be. First, for food safety reasons, but second, because if you're not clean, your cheese will taste like shit, and at that point, might as well pasteurize the milk.
Chud grifters don't respect the craft or the product enough to have this level of commitment. They will sell unsafe raw milk products because there's a demand for it, ruining the term for the people who have actually put in the work to make sure their food is safe and delicious.
I'm sorry, ASKED!? Shouldn't the FDA be making DEMANDS??
I work in pharma and theyre on our ass about minute details all the time (as they should be) but you can have ecoli cheese for sale
Orders, perhaps. With an enforcement office that has arresting powers.
Fun fact: E.coli lives in mammalian colons. You are only ever exposed by poop or things that were exposed to poop. Most of the time when you ingest it, the ones that don't die before reaching your colon just hang out in it and you're fine. It's just the variants that come with a litany of disease-causing, immune-system-evading toolkits that cause problems.
You can generally avoid these issues by cleaning + sterilizing raw foods properly. Some things need to be sterilized upstream in the supply chain (like dairy) but others really can't be, practically (raw veggies) so you should ideally wash and then use a sterilizing solution.
Wow I gotta sterilize my veggies? How am I supposed to do that? I love too many raw or almost raw veggies...
Most things can just be washed, because dangerous bacteria is only present in trapped soil on the surface. Some things need to be examined and have damaged parts/layers removed, like with green onions. Some things can never actually be definitively safe, like lettuce, because they harbor the bacteria inside their leaves (this is why lettuce is the #1 cause of food poisoning by overall numbers, even if there are more dangerous individual foods like oysters).
Then there's pickling and fermenting, which usually makes things much better anyways and which kill off undesirable bacteria by creating a highly acidic environment. For example, raw cabbage isn't great and cooked cabbage is revolting, but cabbage pickled alongside strong aromatics like garlic, onion, and ginger is fantastic.
Well am I just supposed to wash with water? I do that most of the time, but 'washing' sounds like it might include a soap or disinfectant
Depends on the vegetable or fruit. A lot of the stuff at a supermarket has been washed to some extent at which point only other shoppers are smearing poop on the veggies. I know cantaloupe is a common source of E. coli outbreaks because of the skin texture or something.
There are special sanitizing solutions that you can get to wash veggies. It was standard practice in Peru but not as much in the US
Still easier than carnivorous eating, for sure lol. But ok, I'm gonna be looking into the status of such cleaning in my country...
Wash with water like normal, cut up, and then put in water with a sterilizing solution. They are very common in countries with known unsafe tap water. Some might be labeled "vegetable wash", make sure it disinfects.
The other helpful replier covered this, but you can handle things like lettuce by doing the above strategy: disinfect after cutting into the pieces you will use. For example, it is common in Mexico to cut up some cabbage, put what you will use in a bowl of water, and add some disinfectant.
They probably got cows with infections in their udders from having to lie in their own shit all day.
Yes either that or the actual shit.
btw lol
Thomas Midgley was a chemist and and all-time super-ghoul who came up with the idea of putting lead in gasoline. I misremembered some trivia about him. I thought he actually drank some leaded gas. I was close but no cigar.
On October 30, 1924, Midgley participated in a press conference to demonstrate the apparent safety of TEL [tetraethyllead], in which he poured TEL over his hands, placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose, and inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems.
However, the state of New Jersey ordered the Bayway plant to be closed a few days later, and Jersey Standard was forbidden to manufacture TEL again without state permission. Production was restarted in 1926 after intervention by the federal government. High-octane fuel, enabled by lead, was important to the military. Midgley later took a leave of absence from work after being diagnosed with lead poisoning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Leaded_gasoline
And then he invented CFC's and burned a hole in the Ozone layer
Strong contender for the single worst human who ever lived
explosive diarrhea to own the libs!
A quibble
explosive bloody diarrhea to own the libs!
In Eating to Extinction, Dan Saladino talks about the loss of traditional cheeses because milk is now pasteurized, which means that all the indigenous bacteria are killed off, and they have to be reintroduced via commercial inoculants, which, since they're all coming from the same place, lead to homogeneity. But then you have stuff like this, where commercial milk production turns out to not be very clean and you remember there's a reason that the times have changed.
Couldn't they just start up artisanal bacteria cultivation, geeze
Our systems are so fucked. FDA is pushing FSMA 204 which is going to increase labor costs of food distribution and prices will inevitably go up, all in the name of food safety. They can't even enforce a known breakout. FFS...
the food traceability thing sounds good. Who cares if it increases costs and prices lol. I'd rather know if something I buy is gonna kill me.
There are already processes in place for recalls, this only provides a method for more precise recalls to reduce food waste, but if that reduction to waste doesn't surpass the increase to labor then what are we really paying for?
There are so many more issues with food waste in our distribution systems. As someone who has spent my entire career in the industry this is a huge task that isn't addressing a real problem.
yt sure does love eating the crusty lactations of other mammals and getting sick from it dont they
If it doesn't have life maggots, im not interested.
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
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Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.