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[-] David_Eight@lemmy.world 145 points 2 years ago

Why is sex work even illegal in the first place.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 54 points 2 years ago

The underlying assumption is the same as in abortion: that women can't be entrusted with agency over their own bodies.

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 34 points 2 years ago

Because one of the biggest issues with sex work, human trafficking, gets worse with legalization. Studies across Europe have shown that countries that outlaw prostitution see a decrease in human trafficking victims while countries that legalized or decriminalized it see an increase.

Unlike with drugs, you don't just create a way to increase the supply. A very small minority of women actually want to engage in sex work. And the few who do, usually envision the high class escort lifestyle. But working in a brothel charging $100 per client isn't something many want to do.

But legalizing prostitution increases demand. Which makes it more profitable for criminals to utilize human trafficking to fill that demand.

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

One source of it.

It also doesn't help at all with protecting victims of human trafficking. Victims of human trafficking are already protected. But they don't step forward because of threats against their own well being and that of their families. Something that doesn't change just because their work technically is legal now.

Which leaves a small percentage of people who fall into financial hardship and consider prostitution as a method of overcoming said hardship. For them that might slightly improve their situation. But that still means exploiting vulnerable people and isn't people engaging in sex work because they want to. And it's even questionable if people in these scenarios would follow the legal way.

So while initially it might seem like legalizing it solves a lot of issues, it is more difficult than that.

[-] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Us laws regarding sex work are firmly based in puritanical values not out of any concern whatsoever regarding trafficking.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I reckon that even though sex work is legalised, and still caused issues, the problem is that there is no government regulation. It's one thing to say by the government that they won't prosecute sex workers, but if it's not regulated and abuse still happens then nothing changed for all intents and purposes. Best analogy I could think of is like allowing food factories to manufacture food, of course. But if there is no regulatory watchdog to monitor and test to make sure food factories are not putting random and dangerous stuff into food, then legalising an activity is pointless.

Basically, the sex industry having been legalised by many countries is unofficially a libertarian set up. Yeah, the government exists and allow sexual transactions between agreeing parties, but they're hands off on how the practitioners in the industry would conduct business. There is no government agency for sex workers to complain to if they're abused. I know people would ask, how exactly would the government regulate sex? That, I will leave to policy experts.

Edit: wording

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[-] stella@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

Puritan values.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 2 years ago

My bet is on America's conservative puritan history where anything good is bad.

Also sex trafficking. At least that's the argument for keeping it illegal. :(

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[-] momtheregoesthatman@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Old white men elected themselves under the guise of voting (gerrymandering who?) and are too embarrassed and confused to allow women the rights they have as humans. Isn't democracy silly.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I'd say the diagram of "Why is sex work illegal" and "Why is abortion illegal" is almost a perfect circle.

It's about contolling other peoples' bodies and weakening the separation of church and state.

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[-] GR4VY@lemm.ee 129 points 2 years ago

I'm assuming they're arresting the sex workers and not the politicians and military officials?

[-] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago

Hopefully neither, and they’ll arrest the organizers/pimps/etc.

sex workers and clients should be the lowest priority.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

3 individuals sounds like just the pimps.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

They'd probably have to confirm identities to arrest those folks, and also prove they aren't just getting name-dropped.

Just grabbing the pimps and workers is a lot easier and less case intense

[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago

Anybody remember that one piece about our servicemen being involved in trafficking women overseas about three years ago that was swept under the rug?

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

I only remember the rug as I’m supposed to.

[-] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 years ago

To be fair, it did really tie the room together.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago

Ah, yes, 4-star generals in Procurement retiring to gold-plated consulting gigs in the very companies from which they ordered $1000 paper clips and congressional members using insider info from some congressional comission or other they're in for trading on their portfolios is all fine, it's paying for sex that's the real problem with holders of high level official positions in America.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

The bribery potential of those officials violating the laws they're publicly supporting is the problem.

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[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

The client list will likely go in the same vault as Epstein's. They're all assets now.

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[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm sure they'll be arresting and charging the politicians any and revoking security clearances any moment now...

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[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I really don’t understand the way the US works in regards to „bought“ sex… on the one hand prostitution is illegal (with the exception of ~~Las Vegas~~ parts of Nevada) and as soon as you point a camera on the paid fucking it is called PORN and it is still a multi billion dollar industry.

You guys are weird

Edit: changed the Las Vegas part

[-] teft@startrek.website 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. Parts of Nevada yes, but in Clark county where Las Vegas is located prostitution is illegal.

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

It's very bizarre. Kinda shocking the gov't hasn't figured out the massive amount of tax revenue behind the legalization of sex workers.

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Works in other countries at least. Here in Germany they just pay income tax, like everyone else. Actually they are freelancers usually…

On the other hand, Germany is still a bit backwards regarding cannabis legalization… but we are working on it.

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[-] squiblet@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

There are porn producers who do such a crappy job that I’d swear they only film so they have legal access to prostitution.

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[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

It started a few centuries ago when this annoying group of people known as Puritans were expelled from their home country and sailed to north America.

The natives saved them from starvation and today still impose their beliefs and values on everybody. These hypocritical laws is but one example

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They were not expelled from anywhere. They wanted to impose their religious doctrine on everyone else but every government keep telling them to fuck off.

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[-] tronx4002@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

In this day and age where nothing stays secret, how is it hard for elected officials not do stupid stuff like visiting brothels?

[-] Murais@lemmy.one 48 points 2 years ago

In this day and age, why aren't brothels and sex work legal?

[-] roboticide@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Buddy, we're still working on legalizing an absurdly common plant because for a while much of the country thought it was satanic or whatever.

"In this day and age," in America, of course it's not legal yet. That is gonna take a long time.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Where else are they going to get sex? From the woman they live with that is laughably called their wife?

Look at Ted Cruz and tell me that there is a woman on the planet earth who will allow him inside her without money being exchanged.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

If the girls were sex trafficked I have a problem with this, if they were free to do as they please, then I have no issue with this.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

Since it’s illegal and probably secret from their wives, it opens the client to blackmail, which isn’t good for the public if they’re in government or military.

[-] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Regardless of whether someone was trafficked, folks in positions of power chosing* to disregard the law is itself an issue.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Sex shouldn't be illegal if it occurs between two consenting adults.

[-] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

It shouldn't. But if elected officials are breaking the law instead of fixing it, that is bad.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago
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[-] guleblanc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Who would have thought it. A brothel in Watertown. Cambridge I can see. What's next, strip clubs in Belmont, Mitt Romney's home town?

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