I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.
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not now ma i'm postin'
Whenever the arguments start about him, I always have to remind myself that he started his media/talking head career as the TYT nepo nephew. He has amazing politics when you compare him to Cenk and Ana (and their trajectories they took).
I think what a lot of people miss about Hasan is that he is acutely aware that that is his role to play. He talked about it a little bit when he was on the Deprogram.
A lot of people miss it because they don't watch him (which is extremely OK, and maybe even good). Many also seem to ignore people who explain this in every thread, so we are always at the same starring point instead of developing better criticisms and viewpoints.
i get the sense that a lot of people here have been burned by people like contrapoints and are suspicious of The Pipeline because of it
True, as people should be, Contra is one of the tumours that prevent people from going further left, for example
Its great to be suspicious and critical! The starting point of that conversation must be grounded in fact!
Nobody even has to like the guy at all, but the question needs to be "how do we use him/his community?"
"He is a lib and gave Bernie a pass" is almost there, but even then I often see it posted to dismiss any further conversation.
i'm in a bubble i'm sure but people that liked her old decent for the moment stuff dropped her over NBphobia and/or associating with Clinton.
I genuinely don't understand why anytime Hexbear has something to talk about we're not allowed to talk about it. I say that as a mod too. It's kind of maddening. Let the people fight and learn and grow and ban the ones who can't do it respectfully it is that easy
The creator of the last thread deleted it, I guess they didn't like us talking about it.
I don't really respect the move, but it worked out since this thread provokes a better discussion about Hasan's substance rather than starting from "I'm annoyed about something that hasn't happened yet".
They were from .ml, I guess they can't take all the heat in the bear cave. 
They're a regular Hexbear user, especially the news mega.
You shouldn't be allowed to delete your post if people have already commented on it
Ah, the way of the warrior 
a true poster I see.
The subject of how important media is to the cause, if media consumption is politically transformative, where media careerism fits into practical strategy, etc are all good questions worth exploring as a community. Media consumption is one of the biggest issues for leftists online (or online leftists?) and we never talk about from the outside. It's always something boiling under the surface of these spontaneous slap-fights. We should start having structured discussions on issues that so many seem to care about.
Since we live in a world where people can make a career out of presenting socialist ideas to the world, we should probably address how that fits into a socialist movement. I can understand the USSR not getting too in-depth about radio as mass media. They didn't conceptualize it that way because it hadn't turned into this reality-defining commodity that has been for the past few generations. Anyone trying to do movement building in 2026 needs to address it in a formal, rigorous way.
Reposting from another thread: Hasan has a place in the pipeline for the growing disenchantment liberals are feeling.
I appreciate his work but he really is custom made for clueless soon-to-be baby leftist Americans.
Bingo! Hasan knows his audience, and he is the biggest funnel for a Left pipeline. If he became more dogmatic the funnel would narrow. Leftism is like vegetables for somebody that only ever ate corporate junk food. All the arguments about health or being natural do not work with picky eaters. Forcing them to eat their vegetables is a straight road to failure. Sometimes you need to cover their veggies up with cheese mornay or salad dressing to make it more palatable.
I literally have to embody this meme to get any traction.
In my experience you need to babywalk liberals into Leftist positions, inch by painful inch, and let me tell you it takes a while for things to sink in. If they feel you are being dogmatic they stop listening :wall-talk: It happened to me during the George Floyd protests where I was too hot too quickly about the police and it turned off the people I was reaching out to. I have since softened up my delivery so when the :amerikkka: state goons executed Good and Pretti those ideas landed far better.
Hasan is the softball leftist that baby liberals can swallow without immediately throwing up, and from that crack I can trojan even more leftist theory. I do the same thing with Trump using the liberal anger at him and Democracts as a breach in the defenses for more radical ideas. I am using war against Iran right now as a vehicle for introducing historical US foreign policy. I do it with people like John Oliver or Jon Stewart, despite both being absolute libs, because they are just palatable enough to form a crack that I can use, especially against the police. Same with NPR or PBS despite being literally funded by the State.
I am not arguing for anybody to abandon their position. Let that be your anchor as you are slowly guide others towards your position. Drip feed some counter-arguments as they come up.
Maybe he is, like me, a sophist (ironic since Plato hated them, per your meme), who doesn't let beliefs get in the way of getting the job done. He's many times noted how with some hogs, certain arguments that might not be the best (e.g. we shouldn't bomb Iran because it is in the service of Israel might be more effective than we shouldn't be doing imperialism full stop). That ability to shapeshift is valuable as long as it's broadly done in the service of left principles without compromising on things like genocide.
The most policing he does is on leftists who are so detached they've lost the ability to communicate/pipeline liberals. Which, in a space like his, is acceptable. Once you're on hexbear, go fucking ham with the esoteric left critiques and struggle sessions, but when trying to pipeline liberals in your org a softer and more contingent touch is required.
He literally lies about Lenin to convince people to vote for democrats. That is not a pipeline to the left. That is diverting people who were heading left towards his friends in the democratic party. The fact he screams at anyone who tries to point out that he is misrepresenting Lenin makes it clear this is a deliberate strategy, I imagine this is because if he wasn't serving the democrats he would lose access to them.
He is an active, deliberate impediment to the left.
There are multiple levels here. The first level, and first conversion, is actually getting a Leftist foot in the Liberal door to listen to our pitch. To that end, Hasan is the door-to-door salesman that is canvassing for leads, the very top of the funnel. Only some of them will even give him the time of day, let alone listen to his pitch. But a few will, and some of them will move onto the next level where we can go deeper.
That ability to shapeshift is valuable as long as it's broadly done in the service of left principles without compromising on things like genocide.
Absolutely! It's all about knowing your audience. Our goal is still converting them to our ideas, but we can tailor our pitch to things they care about.
From my perspective I recommend Hasan to certain people at certain points so he can handle the right side of the meme, and I can meet people closer to the left side. saves me energy that way.
:this: and also 
I like to see it as a sales funnel, with Hasan out there canvassing leads (the sales funnel) to at least hearing Socialism's sales pitch (the first conversion). Hasan's whole job is to get a Leftist foot in the door. From there the baton is passed to the next group (like us) to further convert those people. Rarely is a sales pitch a one-and-done thing, especially for huge projects like political change, so we need to stair-step. The biggest tool in our toolbox is The Burden Of Being Right. When we make predictions and explain how we got that conclusion it basically does all the real hard work for us.
I say all of this as a former Clintonite Liberal^[Yes, I used to say "Socially Liberal Fiscally Conservative" and "Socialism works in theory but not in practice" completely unironically. American brainworms go deep.] during the Bush years, arguing in good but naive faith with Leftists. I needed to get cooked on low heat as I got most historical events wrong time and time again while Leftists got most everything right.
"Actually if you have a nuanced position on ~~China~~ Hasan you are a cultist ~~tankie~~ lib"
going to remind people that Hasan repeatedly makes homophobic jokes and never challenges the narrative on Ukraine.
I watch Hasan to learn how to talk to libs about current political events. His own politics flawed but he has really impressive communicative skills nonetheless.
I think "Dialect" in the title is a typo which should be "Dialectic".
I'm not sure what you're talking about comrade, it looks correct to me.
I see a Hasan Post..
61 comments.
Just another day in Hexbear.
i DON'T CARE about the streamer
I was the last one to insight a debate about Hasan on this site
And I hope you continue to be the last one.
I'd be more shocked than a dog on a livestream if that were the last Hasan debate.
Sorry bucko, there is a long line behind me, buckle up.
incite* a debate
jeez I don't know why I'm being so annoying lately. I'm stressed out
This is what I’ve been saying, think in terms of utilization value for the movement rather than fine tooth combing of takes. Hasan can be naively bullish on electoralism, but he can be more approachable for people just getting into socialist politics than more hardline figures.
It’s a similar thing with Bernie, AOC, Zohran, et al. The criticisms levied against them by the revolutionary left are (usually) valid, but it’s also undeniable that they’re super popular with the normies. So it’s more useful to posit to them “if you like that, you’ll love full strength socialism” than ranting about social fascism.
I'll go one further. Zohran also was able to get a constituent out of ICE custody with a phone call - if this sort of power becomes more common it's fundamentally good for organizing (until he proves otherwise).
Obviously we can still critique these figures, but having a mayor who fights for his constituents rather than one that lets hogs run crazy is a good thing overall.
I don't really buy the "pipeline" thing. A lot of shit gets stuck in pipes.
I will repeat that Hasan actively misrepresents and quote-mines Lenin while doing unconstructive left-bashing on people who criticize his "not entryism". He does not need to do these things to operate a "pipeline" and in fact it hinders such an effect (without nullifying it, of course).
He still does many positive things.
Yes him bashing people for correctly pointing out that platner is actually a Nazi who still actively supports the US military which he proudly served in is the opposite of being a pipeline to the left. That is sheep dog behavior, like his besties aocia and Bernie.
The military thing is a huge contradiction that the left needs to solve in the U.S. Troop worship is a huge part of the culture here. Not to mention some of the troops and former troops are radicalizing like that marine who got his hand broken. Turns out he's running for Senate under the Green party.
i remember seeing this on the stream, hasan would say he agreed with the sentiment - with some dramatic exaggerated flare for entertainment purposes
The ultimate irony is that if you buy into the idea of hiding your power level^TM^ or the pipeline^TM^, then you pretty much need people shitting on Hasan for being a lib. Otherwise, people are going to wonder why every single vaguely communisty person and org seem to support this dude who is totally not a commie. Imagine if every single vaguely socialisty org from CPUSA to PSL to ACP all pat Hasan on the back going "he's our guy." Normal people are going to start asking reasonable questions like "is Hasan a communist?" And just like how some dude going, "I'm not a fascist. I have never said anything remotely fascist" is completely unconvincing if every single fascist loser likes the dude, no one is going to buy Hasan going "I just want free healthcare, bruh" if every single person who wants more than free healthcare gives him the thumbs up.
This is assuming you believe in the pipeline^TM^. If you don't, you can shit on Hasan for having garbage politics lol
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