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The Hasanabian Dialectic (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by to c/bestofhexbear@hexbear.net
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I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.

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[–] 19 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

Yes him bashing people for correctly pointing out that platner is actually a Nazi who still actively supports the US military which he proudly served in is the opposite of being a pipeline to the left. That is sheep dog behavior, like his besties aocia and Bernie.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The military thing is a huge contradiction that the left needs to solve in the U.S. Troop worship is a huge part of the culture here. Not to mention some of the troops and former troops are radicalizing like that marine who got his hand broken. Turns out he's running for Senate under the Green party.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    There have always been radicalized vets and they are regretful of what they participated in. I know plenty of vets who are not radicalized who are anti-military from just going through it, it's pretty obviously a bad thing. People who are pro military are by and large committed to the other side of the contradiction to the left. They are the front lines for capitalists in the class war, willing to kill even children to maintain the status quo. There are millions of US citizens who are not pro military that can actually radicalize, focusing on how to get the most fascist US citizens to radicalize is really and truly a waste of time

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And by solve, do you mean "accept babykillers with open arms once they say healthcare is good"?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago*

    Open arms no, but if they're willing to kill fascists then I'm open to some sort of reeducation/service to prove loyalty.

    Like seriously, if someone's willing to kill for left principles after changing, I would be open to allying, but with the caveat they're on a short fucking leash. Put the Battle Royale collar on them until the dictatorship of the proletariat is established.

    I should say I'm only half-jokint about the BR collar. Some form of discipline/surveillance must be done with former centrists/liberals in the coalition who might turn reactionary so that they don't go and hijack the movement.

    They can join as junior (controlled) partners. What this looks like in an electoralist context I honestly don't know unless you have union power substantially higher than it is.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    they can carry heavy boxes and talk to other boots, but they shouldn't be in charge of anything bigger than firearms instruction.

    i don't see how we're doing a revolution without some troops, i don't know what criteria you want to have for them to be acceptable. maybe they can prove it by blowing up the officers' mess.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    I'm simply saying there has to be more work done than "well americans love troops now so we have to accept barely repentant imperialist social democrats into a revolutionary coalition"

    We know how that goes

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