I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.
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Posting old struggle sessions is fine, but absolutely no relitigating them in the comments.
I think what a lot of people miss about Hasan is that he is acutely aware that that is his role to play. He talked about it a little bit when he was on the Deprogram.
A lot of people miss it because they don't watch him (which is extremely OK, and maybe even good). Many also seem to ignore people who explain this in every thread, so we are always at the same starring point instead of developing better criticisms and viewpoints.
i get the sense that a lot of people here have been burned by people like contrapoints and are suspicious of The Pipeline because of it
True, as people should be, Contra is one of the tumours that prevent people from going further left, for example
Its great to be suspicious and critical! The starting point of that conversation must be grounded in fact!
Nobody even has to like the guy at all, but the question needs to be "how do we use him/his community?"
"He is a lib and gave Bernie a pass" is almost there, but even then I often see it posted to dismiss any further conversation.
i'm in a bubble i'm sure but people that liked her old decent for the moment stuff dropped her over NBphobia and/or associating with Clinton.