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The Hasanabian Dialectic (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by to c/bestofhexbear@hexbear.net
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I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.

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[–] 9 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

Extremely valid on the jokes and worth mentioning.

On Ukraine (also worth mentioning) I think he gives some challenge, but I he doesn't really make it a principled rhetorical stand and tbh I kind of agree with that in some ways.

Maybe I'm projecting but I think he leans into "this war sucks ass, NATO baited it and Putin shouldn't have taken the bait, and fuck all this" or something in that region. I sort of do the same when talking to most people, cause I don't think it does that much for me to go to bat for Russia. Pointing out the responsibility NATO has is already very expensive with liberals.

Easier to go to bat for Palestine and Iran in full force because they have obviously been shafted by the US/empire/global north innso many ways.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    yeah i don't think the ukraine discussion is very productive with most libs since you have to do a bunch of pepe-silvia shit to explain everything.

    Palestine and anti-attacking-Iran are way easier and way more people are amenable to it.

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I think I know what you men and yeah that's what I would expect. He's not putting a lot of brain cells on it cause like I mentioned in the other comments, he doesn't see it as super important to bring up for discussion with his audience, and I don't think he thinks about it as much as other topics.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    To me there is a great shift in liberal discourse. It is very acceptable to be pro Palestine. It is still not acceptable to be anti NATO. To me it is very important to deconstruct the MIC and NATO in the way that it’s been done with Israel in the past years.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Right we both agree on that, I just find it rhetorically expensive, but it depends who I am talking to and stuff. Ive had it go okay with some people, but it's been tough with others when I don't think it needed to be.

    I find it tricky to navigate with personal conversations, and if I had a real audience (of tens of thousands) it would be even more difficult.

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