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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by RedWizard@hexbear.net to c/bestofhexbear@hexbear.net

I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.

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[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

I will repeat that Hasan actively misrepresents and quote-mines Lenin while doing unconstructive left-bashing on people who criticize his "not entryism". He does not need to do these things to operate a "pipeline" and in fact it hinders such an effect (without nullifying it, of course).

He still does many positive things.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes him bashing people for correctly pointing out that platner is actually a Nazi who still actively supports the US military which he proudly served in is the opposite of being a pipeline to the left. That is sheep dog behavior, like his besties aocia and Bernie.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

The military thing is a huge contradiction that the left needs to solve in the U.S. Troop worship is a huge part of the culture here. Not to mention some of the troops and former troops are radicalizing like that marine who got his hand broken. Turns out he's running for Senate under the Green party.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There have always been radicalized vets and they are regretful of what they participated in. I know plenty of vets who are not radicalized who are anti-military from just going through it, it's pretty obviously a bad thing. People who are pro military are by and large committed to the other side of the contradiction to the left. They are the front lines for capitalists in the class war, willing to kill even children to maintain the status quo. There are millions of US citizens who are not pro military that can actually radicalize, focusing on how to get the most fascist US citizens to radicalize is really and truly a waste of time

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

And by solve, do you mean "accept babykillers with open arms once they say healthcare is good"?

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Open arms no, but if they're willing to kill fascists then I'm open to some sort of reeducation/service to prove loyalty.

Like seriously, if someone's willing to kill for left principles after changing, I would be open to allying, but with the caveat they're on a short fucking leash. Put the Battle Royale collar on them until the dictatorship of the proletariat is established.

I should say I'm only half-jokint about the BR collar. Some form of discipline/surveillance must be done with former centrists/liberals in the coalition who might turn reactionary so that they don't go and hijack the movement.

They can join as junior (controlled) partners. What this looks like in an electoralist context I honestly don't know unless you have union power substantially higher than it is.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

they can carry heavy boxes and talk to other boots, but they shouldn't be in charge of anything bigger than firearms instruction.

i don't see how we're doing a revolution without some troops, i don't know what criteria you want to have for them to be acceptable. maybe they can prove it by blowing up the officers' mess.

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm simply saying there has to be more work done than "well americans love troops now so we have to accept barely repentant imperialist social democrats into a revolutionary coalition"

We know how that goes

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

I partially agree, but I do like that he confronts criticism from his left head-on even if he is more dismissive than I would like. I find it mildly constructive in the same way that Florida (or which ever state) is going to add anticommunism directly to their curriculum.

Could be better, but people get a chance to hear it and maybe they bite.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I mean, again he sabotages his ability to educate even by accident on this subject because he misrepresents Lenin (and the terms of the argument) and also mostly just screams at people that they are unintelligent (I swear he did this for like 20 minutes straight on his stream two days ago) along with fossilized ridiculous ideas about how "meeting people where they are" requires running as a Dem when so many people (many Dems included, but especially independents/non-voters for this purpose) rightfully hate the Dems and being a Dem forces you to follow party discipline or get fucked.

He also doesn't engage with these ideas in their strongest form, just with offhand chatters who are just as likely to be Gonzalite freaks or baby leftists, who he mostly screams at. He hardly talks at all about what it has meant, from a historical perspective, to begin a revolutionary movement or operate a nascent one, he just focuses on the tactics they use when they are bigger (especially the Bolsheviks, of course) while saying that Lenin actually says that to get to that point we need to run candidates in bourgeois parties.

But while he sometimes deflects the third party criticism by pointing to how he boosts PSL, etc. (which is cool and good), he still fails to engage constructively with the people complaining about entryism 98% of the time.

And I think maybe the core issue besides his stubbornness and arrogance is that he is still too taken by harm reduction arguments. He has some resistance to it, but he can't make the leap to understanding what is to be done until he completely discards their validity.

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Yep with your elaboration I'd say I mostly agree

mostly just screams at people that they are unintelligent (I swear he did this for like 20 minutes straight on his stream two days ago)

I get his frustration but yeah he does it to himself (cause it's the audience he wanted to build), and it's really fucking annoying cause I usually just wasn't him to browse the same shit that gets posted here/left twitter so I can passively follow what's going on. Happens multiple times a week (twice a day, even? Depends on the news of the day)

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