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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.


Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Lebanon! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.



Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

You're going to have to (hex)bear with me on the update this week. Have you been feeling generally pretty terrible this last month or so? So have I, and doomscrolling and archiving it all is my quasi-job at this point. Not good, folks, more and more people are saying it. I'll get over it eventually.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Houthi official to Germans:

"The reason that led your country's government to persecute Jews in the past is the same reason that has led your current government to persecute Palestinians, namely your lack of sufficient moral values ​​to stop it."

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I can't wait for ghoul libs to try to spin this.

It's official: Israel has now killed more civilians in Gaza in 30 days than Russia has in its entire war in Ukraine, which began over 600 days ago.

Nitter

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will spin this by ignoring it

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

waking up in the morning and determining whether WW3 has started yet by checking how many new comments the news megathread has

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (17 children)

My partner and I were talking about the brutality of airstrikes vs other forms of killing people (knives, guns etc) and how airstrikes are depicted as less brutal and personal. I made the point that there is literally no American cultural memory of being bombed under virtually any circumstances.

One movie that I thought did a great job of depicting the terror of airstrikes was the battle of lake changjin, the 2021 Chinese blockbuster about the PLA's counterattack against American invaders in Korea. American bombers were terrifying in that film.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

reminder of that thing a month ago where the entire west went to bat defending an SS officer

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (1 children)

#ZionismIsNazism is trending on twitter

Radicalism has broken containment, I repeat radicalism has broken containment palestine-heart

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm really proud of my 12 year old. They asked if we could get a Sodastream and when I said we couldn't because it is an "Israeli" company, they immediately lost interest in getting one and went on to talk about how "everyone supports Palestine" execpt "weird people" like politicians.

I know that you would want to add "And then everybody clapped and that kid's name? Albert Einstein." but this actually happened. The kids are alright.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just got back from a local protest, good size crowd but I showed up a few minutes late

Probably shouldn't have responded to the counterprotesters but their genocidal bullshit was pissing me off and I may have gotten a little hot

Long story short, if tomorrow's local paper has a big picture of me with the headline/quote "Hamas is protecting them!" then I'm either the dumbest motherfucker here or one of the coolest, maybe both

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The smug IDF Merkava driver shitposter from twitter has not been active for 10 days since bragging about entering Gaza. Tons of banger replies on his last posts.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

We’re starting to see direct action take place, not only is the boat getting blocked in the US (and they even managed to get one of the workers on it to leave!!!), im seeing that dock workers in barcelona are refusing to load ships suspected of carrying military supplies, really hope this continues escalating

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Brandeis University dissolves Palestinian student organization for holding vigil

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (11 children)

jokermala : You're claiming that Palestinian troops, who are organized under a military command, follow military discipline, wear distinguishing marks, and openly bear arms are legal combatants and not terrorists according to the laws of armed conflict and international norms and customs?

I am and I'm tired of pretending I'm not joker-troll

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Why is it that, in the West, WW2 is remembered almost solely for the genocide of Jewish people?

Why does the Nazi genocide of Roma, the Nazi genocide of Russians and Poles, and the Japanese genocide of Chinese not get the same attention?

Edit: as pointed out by others, the Nazis also targeted communists, anarchists, LGBT people, and disabled people.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The Soviet Union's greatest achievement has to be setting up the DDR. Even if it failed, it was the closest Germany has ever been to achieving sapience.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (6 children)

most important election in human history but dems can't be bothered to run with a candidate that doesn't cum in their pants over the thought of commiting genocide. can't wait to be blamed for biden's defeat

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you believe this you need to be locked in a cage and studied

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

I realised last night that I might have disappointed the news mega community by not making any Lebanon effortposting for the COTW event despite being the semi-official Lebanese guy of this thread. I'm not really in the mood for effortposting, but let's do a little Lebanon AMA in the replies here.

Just for context, I'm half-Lebanese and half-Syrian. Wife is Iraqi and I've spent a good amount of time in all three countries. Throw any random question related to Lebanon and I'll do my best to answer. Questions related to Iraq and Syria are okay as well of course. Let's go

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (13 children)

taking a minute to appreciate how easy the whole 🔻thing has made responding to zionists

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you ever feel useless or powerless, just remember that the UN exists.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

How do PIJ anti-hospital rockets keep ending up in Iron Dome launchers? What is going on? live-tucker-reaction

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (5 children)

300k pro-Palestine protesters in DC

They came to Washington from all around the country — 300,000-strong — in the largest demonstration for Palestinian freedom ever held in the United States. The Nov. 4 national action stood for the complete liberation of Palestine and demanded a ceasefire, an end to U.S. funding of apartheid Israel, and an end to the occupation.

The mood in Washington was furious and strong, reflecting the mood of the Palestinian people. After rallying, they marched to the White House to tell Joe Biden, rightly referred to by many in the crowd as “genocide Joe,” that his administration’s criminal policy towards Palestinians does not speak for them.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's massively fucking infuriating to me that the very moment Palestine stops dominating the news cycle, liberals are going to fall straight back into accusing Russia and China of committing genocides in Ukraine and Xinjiang without the slightest hint of self awareness.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Macron, Macron, the guy who banned burqas and pro-Palestine protests, is calling for a ceasefire now.

Bernie still isn’t.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Chris Hedges on the attacks on Al-Shifa Hospital.

Ask yourself, if you were a Palestinian in Gaza and had access to a weapon what would you do? If Israel killed your family, how would you react? Why would you care about international or humanitarian law when you know it only applies to the oppressed, not the oppressors? If terror is the only language Israel uses to communicate, the only language it apparently understands, wouldn’t you speak back with terror?

Israel’s orgy of death will not crush Hamas. Hamas is an idea. This idea is fed on the blood of martyrs. Israel is giving Hamas an abundant supply.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Apparently the main concern of liberals rn is that the genocide might cause people to refuse to vote democrat

how deranged are you if thats your main concern?

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There needs to be a list of every journalist who's run PR for Biden's genocide, denied death tolls, uncritically parroted blood libel about beheaded babies alongside the pieces they wrote and all publicly available information about them. I call it Project Nuremberg as a reminder that Julius Streicher was hanged at Nuremberg for doing exactly what they're doing now.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So the US brought a nuclear sub to the Middle East as a show of force, but what will they do if someone comes at them with a nuclear top?

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

twitter thread (nitter alt) about the deteriorating US situation in the Middle East

They all think it's still 2003, with no notion of constraints, nor any respect for or even knowledge of the US' enemies. ... The Iraqis are at the heart of this crisis, and nobody in the official US sphere is talking about it openly. Every "retaliation" for Iraqi attacks on US bases is taking place in... Syria. Now why is that? Is it because the US doesn't care about Iraq and just wants an excuse to go after Assad again? No. Blinken flew under the cover of night into Baghdad, wearing a fucking flak vest, specifically to try to convince the Iraqi government to do something to stop all these attacks!

The reason the US is attacking "Iranian" warehouses in Syria to deter attacks by Iraqis - without EVER mentioning them by name - is because the US deep state is scared shitless of an Iraqi quagmire. The Iraqis go out and officially declare war on US. The US response? Silence. There's constantly escalating attacks inside Iraq. Rockets, drones, now IEDs against US convoys. The Iraqis are totally open about this, they're saying in public "we're at war with the US! We're gonna kick them out!" and Lloyd Austin goes up and pretends these Iraqis don't exist!

... a core feature of the US army today is that it is basically close to unusable, de facto. The US Army has a couple of massive problems right now: first, it's got a HUGE manpower deficit, especially in combat arms. Second, it can't really move very easily! Moving an army corps is a lot of work: it requires a lot of airlift, or - more preferrable - sealift. But US sealift capacity has atrophied immensely since the 90s. Getting an US armor division to Iraq today is a lot more difficult than it once was, due to lowered capacity.

I don't want to dive too deeply into army-specific problems in this thread, so I'll just get to the upshot: the US doesn't have enough men to really put "boots on the ground" in a serious conflict, nor the transport capacity to do so. It's not just a lack of political will. ... the US is basically down to a small garrison presence. You can back that up with air power, but on the ground, the US posture is a few islands of hundreds or thousands of Americans... in a sea of hostile arabs. These arabs have modern small arms. Some of them have night-vision equipment. But most of all, they have heavy stand-off weaponry: Burkan ("Volcano") rockets, used to great effect in Syria, Iranian suicide drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and iranian SAMs.

To further complicate the fairly terrible ground situation, American airpower in the region is very vulnerable. Most Americans still think they have this factory-fresh, high tech air force, but that's not been the case for decades. The workhorses - F16, F15, F-18 - are ancient ... the same kinds of planes used by Saudi Arabia against Yemen. And the Houthis have shot down a lot of Saudi jets. So even the Yemenis - the second most poor country in the region - can now realistically challenge US airpower, using iranian-made SAMs. Today, America has neither the fiscal space or the productive capacity to really deal with airframe attrition ... US bases in the region can now be attacked by stand-off weaponry, and it's long been a known problem that the USAF has never seriously adapted to the idea that airfields can simply be contested by enemy stand-off weaponry from afar. F-35 stealth doesn't work on the ground. ... the entire dynamic of the US actually using airpower in the region has now potentially changed, and changed in a very ominous, depressing way. Carriers can now be hit by anti-ship cruise missiles and drones, which are becoming widely available in the region. Are they guaranteed to work? No. But they're not guaranteed to fail either. Airbases can be hit with cruise missiles and drones; just ask the Americans at Al-Harir!

All of this means that Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon and Tony Blinken at State are in a very, very shitty position right now, to say the least. The openly declared war against the US in Iraq is basically being shoved under the rug, because the US can't afford to admit it exists! To uninformed Americans, the US is still a completely dominant, invincible force. America only loses because it gives up; its planes are invincible, its technology supreme, its forces, untouchable. But this fantasy is a product of the US military's isolation from civilian life. For people inside the military, the view is very different ... Thus, if Lloyd Austin goes up there and says "okay, the Iraqis are attacking us now", he is going to be inundated with calls from moronic GOP politicians and uninformed US civilians to "unleash the American magic!!!" or "teach the arabs why we don't have healthcare lol!!!".

But in reality, that moment in time has passed, and it's not coming back. If Austin goes up there and admits that, admits that the US is now severely limited in what it can do and how much it can fight, he'll lose his job. What's worse, the US will lose imperial prestige! That prestige is fantastically important, for many reasons. Partly, it serves as deterrence against people picking further fights with the US. Partly, it makes the current - completely unsustainable - budget deficits somewhat manageable in the short term. I could go on, but I hope I've made my point by now. The Iraqis are, as the American saying goes, pissing all over the American pant-leg right now. The Iraqis themselves are saying "we're pissing on you, America!", but America is forced to say "No no no, it's just raining!"

It's perhaps somewhat exaggerating how bad things really are, but there's still a lot of interesting points, especially the stuff about air power. Back in the olden days, you did need to actually fly your own planes over the enemy airbases to disable them, but this is no longer the case thanks to advances in missile technology, and the proliferation of cheap missiles among even militia groups means that forces which normally couldn't maintain their own airforce can now still manage to strike at far-away targets, and do so with munitions significantly cheaper than what they'll be destroying. And of course, there's the important logistical reality that Western commentators systematically ignore - how capable is the US, really, at deploying a large ground force, and doing so quickly? Not supplying another military, not flying around and bombing the occasional target, not sending in some special forces team to do a raid, but a proper army corps, of several divisions, the way they were once able to do in Iraq? Even back then, there was still a lot of preparation involved, the invading force didn't just materialize in Kuwait one day, so how capable of repeating that would they be now?

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (34 children)

I've noticed some liberals state: "The casualties aren't high enough to be a genocide". This is such a wild and ugly retort to the outcry against this campaign against Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Sending in so many tanks with no infantry support really was such a collossal L for Israel. Not just because of military tactics, I don't know anything about that and am kinda just parroting that part from others, but from a PR perspective.

In all the military footage that Hamas releases, Israel effectively dehumanizes itself by only being present inside these huge, bulky war machines while the Hamas fighters are small and more importantly, humans. When you see a group of actual people fighting a tank, you'll instinctively root for the humans. Seeing a human killed by a tank is shocking and disturbing, seeing a tank blown up does not have nearly the same emotional effect, even if you know there's a person in there.

Since Hamas released the footage of the guy running up to the tank, I've seen a noticeable shift from people going from just pro-Palestine to outright cheering for Hamas. The fact that it was always "Tanks vs Humans" made it much easier to root for Hamas as the brave underdogs going up agains the cold, overwhelming, unfeeling war machines. Had there been actual Israeli foot soldiers getting killed in those videos, it would've felt much more symmetrical and visceral, much less black and white. Like I said, Israel effectively dehumanized itself in the eyes of onlookers.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

a fucking settler from New Jersey - living in the occupied West Bank - called into TMR today. he said he moved there because it was "more comfortable" for him. then he complained about how settlers have gotten emboldened recently and how little Israelis care about Gaza. no one asked him why the fuck he lives there and why he won't leave.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

the Republican debate is happening right now and asked about Palestine, like every candidate is saying "finish them". literally "finish them". just calling for a final solution at this point.

one of the guys is saying we need to bomb Iran

one of the guys is saying we need to deport people here on visas who protest against Israel

nikki haley saying "[Muslims] hate you and they're coming for you too"

"we have sleeper terrorist cells in America, thousands of people are coming from Syria, Yemen, Iran..."

one of them called Zelensky a Nazi, that was kinda funny

asked how he would lower prices, one of them said "I would simply increase the supply of everything"

their overall financial policy: we need to do austerity, raise the age of retirement, and cut social security

"what we know is that the laffer curve still works" (lmao)

"we will end all normal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans"

"we'll send special operations in to take out the cartels [in Mexico]"

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wonder if the “Jewish people feel unsafe from the very real and very existent Hamas operatives in the west” people have anything to say about this

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Jewish Man Dies After Altercation at Dueling Protests in California

A 69-year-old Jewish man died on Monday from injuries he sustained during a weekend altercation in Southern California over the Israel-Hamas war, and the authorities said they were investigating the incident as a homicide and a possible hate crime.

The dispute occurred Sunday afternoon amid dueling demonstrations at an intersection in Thousand Oaks, Calif., a suburb about 40 miles northwest of Los Angeles, the authorities said. Deputies from the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office responded to a call about a physical altercation at the protest site, where pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian factions were present, according to the agency.

There, they found the man, Paul Kessler, with a head injury he had sustained when he fell backward and hit his head on the ground. Mr. Kessler, a Thousand Oaks resident, was taken to a hospital, where he died Monday. The Ventura County Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Mr. Kessler had died of blunt force head injury, the sheriff’s office said.

Witnesses told investigators that Mr. Kessler had a physical altercation with at least one counterprotester, the authorities said.

CNN had a big press conference on for this pro-zionist who died. I don't remember the police holding a presser and a crying doctor for the Muslim boy and his mom that got stabbed by their landlord for being Arab.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (9 children)

this is the most important election of our lifetimes, vote

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Armed settlers (protected by israeli occupation police) attempted to seize a portion of the Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem. Locals have staged a sit-in on the property and refuse to be intimidated by fascists.

https://twitter.com/syriahay/status/1721246182515917027

https://nitter.net/syriahay/status/1721246182515917027

Zionism is Fascism

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Just got off the phone with my Trump voting father, who called the Israelis incredibly racist and compared the situation in the West Bank to his neighbors slowly stealing his backyard, and said he has asked other people what else the Palestinians were supposed to do. I had a talk with him early on where I made a lot of these points but had avoided talking about the war with him over the past couple weeks since I was afraid of what I might have to listen to. So, you know, enjoy the small victories on occasion.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is less water being supplied to entire cities in Gaza than, by comparison, even into one to a few apartment towers in the working-class areas of Johannesburg. Ponte City, a skycraper with 3,500 residents gets 100,000L more water per day than Khan Younis, a city of 205,000. The comparison gets even worse if the amount of clean water is factored in.

A SINGLE APARTMENT TOWER has more clean water than the entire Gaza Strip.

And the depravity is of people genuinely over the moon beyond their wildest dreams.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Very important piece of military cringe I just learned. What are members of the Space Force called, like soldiers for the Army or sailors for the Navy?

Guardians. Actually Halo LARP shit.

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