no! not only is it explicitly anticommunist, it's a freakin' both sides meme! it's the hallmark of a radicalizing lib that hasn't done any reading but "feels very strongly" about the issue and also feels very strongly when voices in their feed tell them they should read history before adopting self-defeating symbols

That SPD poster makes it pretty clear that we shouldn't.

the three arrows is a hate symbol as far as I'm concerned. I tear it down every time I see it on a sticker somewhere

These antifascist symbols will suffice.

There's no need to use reheated liberal anti-communism. Besides, people already know the antifa symbol with the flags because that's the symbol that actual anti-fascists use in the real world.

No it is a fascist symbol by being anti-communist.

I have a few copypasta/effort posts about this but the answer is FUCK NO

As a reaction to the Harzburg Front and the »March of 100,000«, the Reichsbanner, SPD, General German Trade Union Confederation (ADGB), General Employees’ Association (Afa-Bund) and workers’ gymnastics and Sportbund (ATSB) formed the "Iron Front" on December 16, 1931. Her symbol was three from top right to arrows pointing to the lower left, each shattering a crown, a swastika, and a hammer and sickle. The Iron Front therefore also saw itself as an anti-communist organization.

There was no actual membership. Rather, the Iron Front represented an attempt to to initiate a movement of pro-republic forces. Today they would probably be more democratic as a concerted action identify organizations against extremism

During the first months of its existence, the Iron Front was popularized through large-scale events. There were so-called "preparation weeks" in which activists could write their names in "iron books." Trade unionists formed "hammer groups" in order to be able to act militantly in an emergency. In their propaganda appeared the Iron Front as a decisive force to protect the republic. In fact, their activities focused on publicly effective self-portrayals.

Meanwhile, the Nazis were gaining ground. Hitler wanted on April 10, 1932 in the election to the Reich President against Paul von Hindenburg and Ernst Thälmann, but he was still stateless. The German The Braunschweig government procured him citizenship by appointing him to the government council on February 25, 1932 in Berlin - a post that Hitler, incidentally, never took up. However, the election to the Reich President was decided by supported by the SPD, German nationalist Paul von Hindenburg for himself.

The day after Hitler was made chancellor, the standard bearers of this emblem did this

The KPD asked the Iron Front, the SPD, the general trade union association ADGB and their organisations, and the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold to declare a general strike against Hitler. The Iron Front decline, issued a call on February 2 to "all comrades of the Reichsbanner and the Iron Front", warning against participating in "wild actions organised by irresponsible people", and exhorted members to "turn all Iron Front events into powerful rallies for freedom".

The attempt to use the Three Arrows is a restoration of the very liberal chauvinism that led to Hitler winning. It is a symbol of anti-communism and the people who try to restore it have largely been naive or downright dangerous. Oppose the Iron Front then and now.

We've been having this fight with neo-Iron Front/ironfrontusa people for years here https://hexbear.net/post/157623?scrollToComments=false

This is a symbol literally used by the opposition to Antifa. It is not, nor has it ever been anti-fascist. And if we wanted to use it, we should then cease using the two flags Antifascist Action emblem because using both is a denigration of the fallen.

RoteFront and Antifa comrades died fighting this shit.

AWAY WITH THE LIES OF THE IRON FRONT THE DECEIVERS OF THE PROLETARIAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4-9G6azgw

Only if that's German for 'pick one, shoot two'

Nah

As everyone else has said, no, we should not. But with that out of the way, I'm surprised the anti-tankie crowd hasn't adopted it to a much greater degree than the occasional reference. Like some of the other lemmy instances that make being "against tankies" their entire identity I would have thought would love to spam that symbol. Maybe I shouldn't be giving them ideas if they happen to see this thread.

My first encounter with "3 arrows down" and what it meant was that early (c.2018) breadtuber who used it as his name, or his channel name anyway. I think he turned out to be a piece of shit by almost anyone's standards (I forget what it was, but wasn't there some scandal that ended his breadtube career?), and I wonder how much that poisoned the well for other anti-tankie "leftists" to want to use it. May have had nothing to do with it, but if so, highly critical support.

Should we use anti-communist symbols of the freikorps rosa-killers? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no

Thanks for making this thread, it reminded me to change my avatar since it was three arrows falgsc

The three arrows is the "do you condemn Hamas?" of 1930s Germany. A triangulated performative liberalism that opposes liberation and those actually fighting fascists.

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A select start

...is what i'd propose for an alternative. 99 lives for the anti fascist movement

Why the fook would you do that? Only socdems would equate their social chauvinist anti-Communism to that of 'opposing' Nazism and Monarchism

Should we be using the Sonnenrad? /s

in my heart the anarchist symbol and flag functions as antifascist

no

Im a big fan of down, down, up.

Schrodinger's arrows.

The meaning of what they represent depends on who you're talking to.

Perfect for liberals.

i remember this thread from 2020.

unfortunately, we (still) don't have a standardized antifascist replacement symbol.

edit: thanks for reminding me of the two flags

Of course not, it's a sign of political illiteracy or anti-communism (most likely both).

I like to use this one (hence it being my profile banner), for image description please see my profile.