The dude who consistently opposes the use of the word "tankie" and considers us good for the left is probably gonna have some good positions underneath what he does to be popular.
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it's making a lot of libs mad too, which is funny, cause i thought this was a democracy
By not caving immediately he is forcing them to look goofy for continuing to make hay out of these theatrics years out from the election
And to his credit, whether intended or not, he is helping to prevent the whitewashing of Gruesome ahead of any major prominence regarding an election, and making the libs that made a big to-do about how they would vote for Newsome defend why they hate the homeless too
It’s good slop, a bunch of liberal hand wringers tried to make the press by scolding him and instead our jumbo hunk mascot said “no u” and it made them look bad
Just like how the liberal believes in abstract rights, not concrete rights, they only believe in the concept of democracy. A politician having to earn your vote is a proposterous idea to them.
He also didn't endorse Kamala (though he admitted months later that he did vote for her)
I think he would've endorsed her with even a promise of a crumb of decent policy, but alas, she had nothing to offer.
He also didn't endorse Kamala (though he admitted months later that he did vote for her)
Did he ever say why? He's in California and he knows how this stuff works. Why vote for her in secret when your vote doesn't even matter?
I don't know if he did, he only revealed it during his debate with Ethan KKKlein AFAIK
I agree that there was no reason to do so living in a blue state
Were the PSL candidates on the ballot in Cali?
Even if we just assume that the Dems were the leftmost party and not even the Greens were on the ballot and you couldn't write anyone in, it's a more reasonable calculus in that situation to not vote because it's the only way to communicate something compatible with left-opposition.
Yes, nominated by the Peace and Freedom Party (only explicitly socialist party with ballot access in CA, PSL candidates have run through PFP in CA for a while now)
they were under a different party name i think because of how ballot access works
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Whether or not you agree with his positions or approach, he has been very consistent. I think this is overall a good thing. He does hear people to his left, he isn't ignorant, and he even platforms those viewpoints to his audience when he interacts or denounces them.
He's a decent indication for the political climate in the idk what to call them, I guess, Leftist spaces with Anti-Capitalist sentiment. His goals seem to be to grow as much as possible, while maintaining a outwards facing anti-imperialist persona. It's most likely genuine.
His main flaws, from what I've seen, is he's not well educated on Marxism besides the foundational texts and whatever he watches on stream or learns from his friends. But then again I'm not in his position idk how much room he has to move. From what I've heard of him he wants to serve as an entry point for the lumpenproletariat Americans who then get radicalized further.
Of course the elephant in the room here and the big question is: Who is this 3rd space people are supposed to be moving towards in the radicalization pipeline? PSL? All of this radicalization will have been for naught when a populist can just sweep up the chaos, with appealing messages.
I hope this doesn't start a struggle session, but I don't really understand this instances thing against posting Hasan stuff.
I see him as just sort of there. He's not like, massively annoying and as far as I know there are worse streamers out there.
Is it just because streamer slop is super online and annoying or did he do something shitty I don't know about? Don't really follow him outside of the occasional clip.
AFAIK he hasn't done anything egregious. Some definitely don't like him for political reasons, but I think the thinking here is to avoid focusing so much on individuals or celebrities, and Hasan is just the most visible leftist personality among gen Z and millennials. But we should talk about him from time to time, he is very influential and IMO has fantastic politics compared to other political commentators with an audience his size
he's not radical enough for some of us. i think it's probably not possible for someone in his position to be as radical as we'd want because someone outwardly that radical wouldn't ever get to that position, so i don't get being mad about it either.
Every time I see a title like this take for granted that I know who this is, instead of being like "Hasan Piker (3M follower twitch news streamer)", the way you would for like, the chief editor of a major newspaper, or the mayor of a third rate city, I think everyone on this site needs to touch grass.
i think a portion of it is people who have a weird parasocial relationship with him who get weirdly confrontational and combative if they perceive someone disparaging him even slightly. i also feel like these same people probably emphasize and get invested in the streamer/twitch drama aspect of what he does that i think generally is off putting to probably most people.
i know in the past he has directly commented on stream about these people and i for some reason have a memory of him calling them "little gremlins."
I'll admit I got pretty annoyed with people who were out there parrotting that stupid electric collar story. I do watch Hasan YouTube videos, I find majority report really tedious and liberal. But like sometimes I want to hear the news from a non insane perspective.
i think i worded it a bit poorly, i didn't have an outright lie like Kayagate in my mind when i wrote that. rather i was referring to the people who get disproportionately hostile over the mildest thing because they're taking someone not liking Hasan as much as them personally. there's probably a better way to phrase it but i cant think of it at the moment
Hasan has always been pro-Marxist despite his entryist presentation, too many people were simply negatively primed by the destiny led hate campaign and admitting they were misled is too much for some egos
I don't think anyone here is getting any fraction of their opinion from that douchebag. People here don't like Hasan because he's not a good representation of MList thought.
They're not getting it directly but they are influenced by him indirectly
The fact so many here fell for that shock collar smear campaign proved that once and for all, not to mention those times multiple users used r/LSF has a source for their anti-Hasan takes
I was surprised by his answer. Probably part of the reason why he’s now openly saying he wouldn’t vote for gavin is because he wants dems to understand that their only option for winning the election is to move to the left, and not already make them feel safe with going for Newson so early on.
I’m annoyed that I’m already confronted with this endlessly frustrating discussion but I suppose it’s good that Hasan is now combatting this bad ’harm reduction’ narrative.
at least one slop streamer has to have a spine in the USA and not be a sellout
In 2040 he will finally see the value in the immortal science and we will achieve communism within a year.
I know this is a joke, but he is literally the face of "chinamaxxing" in the US and fully believes in the immortal science. He also recognizes his position as someone who has the largest left of liberal platform in the US and intends to preserve it while offering clear outlets to his left (such as "no, there is no reason to commit to voting for Gavin newsom 2 years ahead of the election cycle" as a veryyy basic starting point).
He does get stuck in "there is no alternative to the democrats and I can't even imagine one"-land though, that's the biggest flaw. Even in that case its along the lines of "even if I'm stuck with them, I don't need to be nice to them or promote them uncritically". For those wondering, he has also offered criticism of Zohran on stream as well for many of the things you see on Hexbear, although he is less incisive with it.
I am offering this not as a "Stan" or anything, but to inform others who (rightfully) ignore streamer content but may be curious about where a prominent American socialist media figure stands.
I don't think he believes in the immortal science but he does adhere to defending AES (and the global south in general) and that is better than like 80% of Western leftists. He's about as good as you could expect from a streamer with any significant following.
Yeah, I don't think he has demonstrated conviction really (we'll see what he says sooner to the election), but I was definitely pleasantly surprised by his recent comment.
Gonna explain my thought process here. I recognized about a decade ago that I spent SO MUCH time being deeply invested in other people's lives. People who barely knew who I was, or not at all. Family members, old friends -- It felt like keeping up. It was entertainment, something I spent a lot of time thinking about. I think about a time I was at a restaurant and someone said "Did you hear about what happened with Snookie?" except with my own local celebrities.
Well eventually this backfired massively and I had a very significant mental health episode about it, and went through a purge where I stopped following or invensting time people who I had little to no reciprocal relationship with. Honestly, this helped with my feelings of isolation and loneliness significantly.
Paired with my beliefs in anti-hierarchy and generally being anti-celebrity (anti-spectacle,) Hasan is just some guy. His followers and influence aren't significant in my mind. Sure we would have a lot in common, but at the end of the day he's just a person that I do not know. Chances are he wouldn't humor me at all since he's basically a celebrity.
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