Go ahead, vote MAGA in the midterms if you're curious how fucked your life can get.

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[–] 276 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Here's the thing that I think a lot of people don't understand about home ownership: Housing prices going up is only beneficial if you plan to sell.

We were (very) lucky and were able to get in on the tail end of the early 2010s housing crisis and leverage the first-time homebuyer incentives that were offered at the time to buy a modest house. It cost $245k. It's currently worth $550k, and people seem to think this means we made $300k in profit! Yay us! And technically, on paper, sure, we did, but in reality, no.

Housing prices across the board are up, and we still need a place to live, so if we sold this place, we'd have to buy something else (at the same grossly inflated prices), or we'd have to rent (at grossly inflated prices). If the $550k this place is worth on paper buys us something that would have cost $245k in 2010, we haven't gained anything.

Either way, we have no intention of selling, so we will never see a cent of that increased value. What we are seeing, however, is increased property taxes since the property has, on paper, doubled in value.

What I'm getting at is, this doesn't benefit homeowners, it benefits housing investors, who are the group Trump really wants to prop up.

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  • [–] 152 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You know who it is good for? Boomers who are selling their big houses to go live in a condo or nursing home. Guess who votes for this shit.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Also good for people who want to flee the US before the bubble pops.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    We absolutely want to, and if having money was the only barrier to doing so, we'd sell in an instant, but unfortunately it's simply not an option for a lot of people

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What's the plan, if not welcome in the new country? Or it's invaded by the US?

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    There's plenty of countries (in Europe or elsewhere) where Americans are still welcome. Here in the Netherlands we have quite a American community and we like having them, as long as they're not maga crazies.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    If no one can afford the boomer homes, the houses stay unsold so there's a balance when trying to maximise profit.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Same here. We bought our modest house and have been slowly updating it. But we never plan on moving unless we absolutely have to. So I don't need or want it to increase in value. The value is it's my home.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What you do gain is equity. And while that equity can’t be used to pay for a new house, it can be borrowed against cheaply.

    A second mortgage, such as a home equity loan or a home equity line of credit, means you can use some of that value in your house for big purchases or projects without the higher interest rates you would pay for other types of loans or a credit card.

    It’s one of the reasons home ownership is financially superior to renting, even if your monthly payment might not be that different. Owning property has inherent value.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Exactly.

    Our home has doubled in value in the last 7 years, but life would be better if it had've stayed at the same price.

    We're lucky enough to have somewhere to live but as a community it really sucks that its so hard for so many people - the rental market is just awful, inhumane even.

    God forbid we want to buy a bigger home with some more room for the kids - upgrading just cost twice as much.

    My parents are boomers and have been beneficiaries of the eternal increase in property values throughout their lives. They're in their 80s and really need to retire, but can't really afford to. Increasing property prices aren't really good for anyone.

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    [–] 50 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    He is setting USA up for the worst economic crisis in history.

    The biggest, the best, the most beautiful financial downfall the world has ever seen.

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    [–] 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    "Who didn't work very hard"
    Says the obese orange paedo that has never worked a day in his life.
    The only thing this fat tub of corruption ever worked hard at was finding and raping little children. Sweaty cunt.

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    [–] 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Today I could not buy the house I now own.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Ditto.

    Our first house was my late grandparents home. I bought it from my dad for 100k in 2013, which itself was probably ~25k below market.

    We sold it in 2018 for 250k, and bought our current home for 375k.

    Zestimate now for my house is 613k. I could never afford that. I paid what, a net 225k (plus taxes and interest ofc).

    I don't discount how much luck has played into my current station in life....but damn.

    The downside is...I feel like I'm stuck here now. We refi'd when rates were near their lowest, and any house that would be a sidestep in quality/neighborhood/size costs the same or more, plus higher interest.

    My SIL and her new husband just bought a house and I damn near fainted when I heard what her mortgage is gonna be.

    I was already teetering on the edge when my BIL told me how much rent is for his 1BR apartment (which is also much more than my mortgage on my 4br/1.5ba house).

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    [–] 40 points 7 months ago

    Says the laziest person on the planet.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's OK guys, I'm planning on buying a home later this year. Knowing my luck, property values should plummet sharply shortly after I do that.

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    [–] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I worked my ass off. Now I can pay for a place to live and keep paying it off no matter what for 30 years. No matter what? Yeah anything happens to me, that means my family looses their house for life because they are too young to work now but not having a house will make it harder for them to ever get one.

    I'm basically a slave.

    Now if I were to sale my home, then I could probably afford to buy a smaller house and keep paying even more! Yey! That's how math works right? You get 10 dollars for your house so that you can buy half that house for 11 dollars! Yey!

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I’m basically a slave.

    That's the goal. Whatever keeps workers working is what the ruling class will force upon us.

    It's why we never invested in fusion energy. Expensive fossil fuels keeps people working.

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    [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    I hate him.

    My dream is to be a homeowner and it's slipping away faster than I can chase after it.

    I fucking hate him so much.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    LOL, I cannot wait until I have my next IRL conversations with the more-leftist-than-thou dumbasses that sat out or voted third party and the Enlightened Centrists that voted for Taco because they fell for the right wing/Russian agitprop that Biden's economy was so terrible and/or that Kamala was genocidal and/or something something "gerontocracy".

    JFC.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe you should devote that energy toward more constructive organization efforts within your party, or good faith gestures that build trust and solidarity with new allies? As someone who did hold his nose and voted for the uninspiring, inept Democrat pick who went on to eat shit I have to say this preoccupation with rubbing your party's failure in the face of anyone you failed to reach is... Not inspiring, to put it charitably.

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    [–] 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Hahahahaha! This is so unbelievably fucking ridiculous.

    All while they're crying about the falling birth rates.

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    [–] 22 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    vote MAGA in the midterms if you're curious how fucked your life can get.

    Or don’t vote. Again. Either will have the same effect.

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    [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Ask a Trump supporter why they want higher property taxes.

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    [–] 19 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Housing should become regulated infrastructure and stop being speculative assets. Fuck the real estate sector

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    [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Donald Trump never had to work for a house.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    If only salary and net worth would be tied to the actual effort made at work.

    Almost all CEOs would be homeless.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Soon there will be a critical mass of people who have nothing left to lose. Thats why the Republicans and Democrats need a secret paramilitary police force in the streets. If they don’t quell uprisings and arrest activists (i.e. “domestic terrorists”), the citizens may gain enough momentum to enact another New Deal, and the wealthy benefactors of both parties will do everything they can to stop that from happening.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Honestly curious to see how this pans out. Trump's polling still seems higher than it should be given the shit show he's presiding over.

    Here in the UK, we appear desperate to touch the Reform stove. I despair.

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    [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Per usual, read the article and not just the headline.

    Sounds like he's talking about banning investor purchases of single family homes. Which is a good thing.

    I fucking hate Trump and he's wrong about pushing housing prices higher, but banning investor purchases of homes is the right call, so he's kinda right.

    Also, crashing housing value would destroy anybody who has invested in their home as equity. What needs to happen is a leveling off and investment in cheaper starter home builds, as well as a push for first time homebuyer loans that are low interest and up front down payment.

    I bought my first home on a HomePath mortgage. No PMI, 5% down, and reasonable interest rate that was only a bit higher than a traditional mortgage.

    Getting people into their FIRST homes and making sure they aren't beat out by cash offers from investors it's the correct way forward.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Why should I care about someone's equity? Houses are for shelter and privacy. Why do we treat them as investment vehicles?

    My car doesn't become more valuable as it ages. Neither does my computer, or my clothing, or anything else. If they want their home to become more valuable, they should invest in improvements to it, not just depend on all houses getting more expensive for everyone else forever. It's a ludicrous, unsustainable idea.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Appreciate the nuance, though I think that "house as equity" thing should definitely be dismantled, at least over time.

    House is a place to live, period. The rest is a fucked predicament we found ourselves in thanks to big investors.

    But yes, first house should be made super accessible, and any subsequent ones could be sold for a major markup.

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    [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What a shite take from the man who has no sense of real-world costs.

    The price of a house is roughly, give or take, about one house. People might trade up and supplement the difference or have had savings from between purchases, but that initial upfront, first-time cost is the hardest one. It's not a grand difference of space between rungs on the ladder, it's that more and more of the lower rungs are getting actively broken off for the benefit of those with a surplus to sell.

    Scum.

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