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[-] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 132 points 1 week ago

You can see grey hoodie guy remove his handgun moments before the first shot. They disarmed and then executed this man.

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I saw that too, but somehow despite Pink Coat Woman's close proximity, I wasn't able to observe any muzzle flashes and figure out definitively which ICE agent fired the first shot.

[-] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago

The guy that shot him(black beanie toward the backl pushed away the guy that was taking his gun(gray jacket). He could clearly see he had a gun, so he knew it was okay to murder him. As you see all they have to do is tweet a picture of the gun and the cult believes he deserved to be executed.

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Spot on, some of the new footage, particularly the slowed, zoomed and stabilized version of the events recorded by Pink Coat Woman are particularly clear. Grey Coat ICE disarmed Mr. Pretty just seconds before Black Beanie ICE shot him in the back. This shit is unforgivable.

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We need all the angles. Even this one it is hard to tell what is going on.

It’s clear this dude didn’t deserve to die though. These fuckers are out here doing exactly what they are meant to do.

[-] bdonvr 24 points 1 week ago

Yeah. Unfortunately I've seen about 4 angles and this is the best as far as I can tell.

[-] chocrates@piefed.world 27 points 1 week ago

Lady in Pink's video is pretty damn clear

[-] bdonvr 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, it's about as good as this one, but I think you see the victims hands more and more clearly see one of the ICE goons take the handgun away (from his belt, not his hands) before the shots.

[-] BruisedMoose@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It almost looks like the guy in gray accidentally fired a shot into the ground when he walked away that set the others off .

Edit: which obviously means jack shit in relation to the entire killing.

[-] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The angle they have on Crimes of ICE shows this, too. Guy runs off with a gun to the ground, fires, then looks around like "Oh shit".

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

https://lemmy.world/post/42107309

Here you go. Even still, can’t tell why they pulled out a gun.

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[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The Gestapo thugs kidnapped witnesses and have already very likely destroyed their evidence 

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 56 points 1 week ago

His hands were out in front of his head, clasped together. This directly contradicts the DHS statement that he reached for a weapon.

Not that that's surprising, but it needs to be said.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

Had this guy actually reached for his gun and shot all the ice agents, then the US government would claim his innocence because at this point their just have to lie pathologically

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

Nevermind the fact that it would take superhuman skill to shoot six armed attackers before one or more of them blow you away...

[-] bdonvr 8 points 1 week ago

To be fair we're talking about untrained goons

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they'll take out at least two of their own for you.

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[-] Klox@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have no words, just anger and sadness.

[-] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At some point this is going to lead to some form of civil war if it keeps escalating like this.

Well I hope the brown shirts get what they deserve.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 41 points 1 week ago

It has already started. They are attacking us. They are actively killing citizens in the streets. Trump's paramilitary police are an invasion force and their target is dissenting Americans.

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[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Looks like the "reported" holstered gun was removed by an ICE thug and then the victim was shot in the back in cold blood. I can't wait to see how DHS spins this and all the Republican bootlickers gobble it down. We're a diseased society on the verge of destruction and we deserve it. May every ICE scumbag live in fear for the rest of their lives!

[-] bdonvr 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bruh they've already just straight up lied about it. Truth isn't going to matter to most of these people...

"This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement," the agency said.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2026/01/24/nx-s1-5687276/man-shot-dead-minneapolis

Apparently a statement by Greg Bovino, one of the leaders of CBP/ICE

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

I too am super curious to see how the bootlickers spin this one. The car incident was complete bullshit but you can put blinders on and read it as a heat of the moment situation. This is clearly and unambiguously a public execution. They shot a man who was pinned to the ground in the back like ten times.

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[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago

You'll notice the thing that set them off was he got between them and the woman they were trying to beat up.

[-] RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

Thank god for the fucking Internet and these heros recording this shit. If it were the 90s or earlier, we'd be at the behest of legacy media and the government for our information.

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[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

This is the third angle that I've seen of the killing, and this is looking more and more like a disarmament panic, or feigned disarmament panic to me. If Mr. Pretti lost control of his holstered/stowed pistol during the dogpile, it may have served as an excuse by ICE agents to shoot him.

If he was in fact carrying a licensed conceal carry pistol (as posted by LEO account press releases) during his arrest, it seems to have come loose due to no fault of his own - note both hands clenched against pavement immediately before murder by ICE. This is, of course, assuming that the information/photograph of the pistol aren't police disinformation.

At the 0:53 mark of the footage taken from the other side of the street (Pink Coat Woman: https://lemmy.world/post/42107309), one of the agents can be heard yelling "He's got a gun! Gun!" about 1 second before one shot is heard, followed by three shots in quick succession, followed by one of them mag-dumping Mr. Pretti. This happens as he is nearly prone, with two different agents on their knee(s) attempting to wrestle him under control/arrest him, several milling around in various armed states (pepper stray canisters or pistols holstered/drawn), on his knees and forearms with his hands clenched closed as mentioned previously. This is a tragic illustration of the poor training standards of ICE recruits, as at least one of them appears to have either panicked and misfired (poor trigger discipline), or reacted to the declaration of an uncontrolled firearm by immediately executing Mr. Pretti.

[-] Klox@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You forgot the whole part about ICE assaulting a women, Mr. Pretti catching her, and then trying to help her as she is slipping on the ground, and then the same ICE shithead, sprays Mr. Pretti with pepper spray while still trying to help the assaulted woman up. None of it was justified. Mr. Pretti made no antagonistic movements prior to being assaulted and executed by ICE.

[-] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I'm not forgetting it at all, just commenting on the situation more immediately applicable to the pigs murdering him. Make of that what you will, but I'm not boosting ICE or going to bat trying to justify their killing.

[-] bdonvr 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think it's pretty clear that Mr. Pretti was disarmed by the agent in the gray coat. You clearly see both of his hands EMPTY as he goes into the pile, then you see him with a handgun pulling away just before the shots. It does not appear that he reached for a holster at any point.

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[-] razen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Wow people are just getting killed by the state in broad daylight without any consequence. Americans do live killing.

[-] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

They’ve taken away anything any of us have left to lose.

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[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

It‘s interesting to see if the US are equipped to deal with this. People have been bombed for having elected less oppresive governments.

[-] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The us has bombed us civilians for having disagreeable economic opinions. Like a few times

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[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

Here it's very clearly visible that grey-jacket, red/grey-cap guy has the victim's gun secured already. At 0:39.

That must also be why he leaves the altercation, to get the gun away. Theoretically a good plan.

[-] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Watch his hands. They are consistently up by his head, shielding his face. He never reached in any way until the gun was already gone, by which time I believe he's already reaching for what is presumably the first gunshot.

This is an execution. He never posed any risk. He was actively defending his face from getting pushed into the ground.

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[-] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

before the ice agents knocks him to the ground, what was happening, an ice agent macing someone else? It's hard to tell how the guy that got shot got in the mix of this.

[-] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

This is what fascism looks like.

[-] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Time to invoke the second amendment.

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[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

This is basically what the American military was doing in Fallujah.

[-] Batmorous@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

How many ice agents are active currently we need statistics

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[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

They're not animals, they're a disease. Most animals have more compassion and empathy. They're monsters, creatures of nightmares, the demons that we've written about slaying for thousands of years. KOS is the only right thing to do to them.

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[-] PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

NAZI LIVES DON'T MATTER BURN THEM WITH FIRE.

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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

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    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

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    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

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