I mean, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I can believe the science AND ALSO engage in behaviors it says are unhealthy for me.
I have night light mode on my phone. So I’m good!!!!!!!
That's not a scientific thing tho ! Proven to have no effect in fact.
Apple wouldn’t lie to me.
Proven*
Samples sizes are always small, confounding variables poorly controlled and control groups often contaminated.
Long term effect are also poorly studied.
Proven to have no effect in fact.
I thought the blue light was the problem.
Just because I don't follow the recommendation doesn't mean I disbelieve it. Science also says I should eat better and exercise more and do less drugs 🤷♂️
Drugs are made with science
It’s actually neutral on the subject of what you should do. That is for medicine and public health policy, or even personal choice.
I get why you shouldn't use it before bed but why not after waking up? If it keeps you awake shouldn't it help you wake up?
allegedly
you are priming your brain for distraction
that info comes from Julie Morgenstern, an organizing & productivity consultant, so I dunno how scientific it is...
Also, it's forbes
God damn, I can't find any solid research that backs up the claims of it being bad for you, granted I didn't do a thorough search, but I did still look and came out empty handed.
Just after you wake up, for about 30-60 minutes, you're in a state known as sleep inertia. The CDC recommends not doing critical tasks during this period, but that could just be because it affects performance. They do also say that bright light can more quickly restore performance, which a phone screen most certainly is.
So, let's look into it a bit more. Granted, I can't find anything more than a couple psychologists saying this, so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems like it mostly does come down to you priming your brain for distraction, as was initially stated. You have the least amount of built-up fatigue when you wake up, but if you go on the app that is designed to take as much time and attention of yours as possible, then you are giving away your least-fatigued time of the day to social media, before you do anything productive.
The more things you do in a day, the more fatigued your brain gets, and the harder it is to actually get other things done afterward. On top of that, it can also just be a behavioral thing. If you repeatedly get on your phone every time after you wake up, you are telling your brain "waking up = get on phone," and not something like "waking up = get out of bed and brush teeth" or "waking up = get breakfast."
This can build a dependency over time, which then leads you to, as previously mentioned, taking the time you are least mentally fatigued, fatiguing your brain with high-speed flows of information, and only then actually expending the remainder of your energy on everything else you need to do.
That's a good way to start my work day then because I'm constantly moving from one fire to another.
Just because I believe doesn't mean I listen.
Me using phones : wow, I can sleep at 1am, great.
Me "just going to bed" : great, it's 4am and I'm still overthinking my shortcomings!
Yep. Numbing the thoughts away with constant input helps the body gain the upper hand and let me go to sleep.
Science is totally right here, I have no doubt. It's just... that I have zero regard for my own health.
Me trying not to murder my partner who I love very much when her phone suddenly blasts out Instagram brain-rot at 11pm and I’m trying to maintain a vaguely healthy bedtime ritual.
What's this about right after waking up? (I may have struck this from memory)
I believe what science is saying. I'm just not going to follow it. If I try to sleep without reading something my brain will start ruminating on things and then I'm definitely not getting to sleep. All my reading materials are on a screen.
It's not a settled issue. There are research papers that show evidence that blue light affects sleep, which is not the same thing as blue light makes your sleep worse.
Small rant, but people saying they believe in science is a pet peeve of mine. Belief has no place olin science.
You can't "believe" in science any more than you can "know" in your religion.
Belief and faith are the realm of the unknowable. Knowledge and fact are the realm of science.
When people say they "believe" in science, I think they mean they are putting their faith into the scientists performing the science. That whatever conclusion they come to after an experiment or study is the correct conclusion.
I'm sure you can find the flaw in doing so, as science is constantly being debunked. A good example that comes to mind is the alpha wolf theory.
It can be argued that while science strives to be in the realm of knowledge and fact, it doesn't always succeed in doing so. At least not in the first rounds of study. And I think that's what its strength is; being able to correct itself in the pursuit of knowledge and fact. All the same, science is run by humans, and humans are fallible. But despite that fallibility, some people are willing to put their faith into scientists because of their constant pursuit for the truth. Even if what they said yesterday got debunked today, it doesn't make yesterday's scientists any lesser. It only means we are all better for it.
When people say they “believe” in science, I think they mean they are putting their faith into the scientists performing the science. That whatever conclusion they come to after an experiment or study is the correct conclusion.
That's literally what they mean, where "scientists" may as easily mean real scientists as charlatans.
It's still completely antagonistic to how science is practiced (if scientists behaved like that, they would never learn anything), and something closer to religion than science.
I am not smart enough to come to my own conclusions about a lot of science, so yes I must believe what the collective scientific community asserts, because I have no other way to prove things that happen. For me, that means putting my faith in their accuracy. So yes, I believe in science.
It should also be noted that there are people out there that treat science as a religion; that it is infallible, and cannot be changed, and to suggest otherwise is blasphemy. 🤷♂️
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/believe
"To consider to be true or honest"
I don't know what you think believe means but you're wrong
You can believe that an answer can be found scientifically. You can have faith that what you see with your eyes, and that what happens during experimentation is accurate and not a fluke or trick of some sort.
Just because religion dominates most belief, and there are strong religious groups that hold that belief and faith are binary with no wiggle room whatsoever does not mean that it's the only way they can function. On can still test faith and belief without losing them, and changing those beliefs to what holds more truth.
Holding that that belief and faith have no part in science... is a belief in and of itself. A particularly contradictory one at that.
im not a cicada. i do not concern myself with these matters.
My circadian whatever has had all my life to get used to it. I don't accept complaints now.
I have Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome… light has no effect on me. Checkmate scientists!
I have a strong feeling I do too, inherited from my mom (both of us self-diagnosed). I also appreciate you calling it a syndrome and not a disorder. It's only a "disorder" because society decided to only accommodate one type of circadian rhythm. Humans have needed people on night watch forever, my money is that this was an advantageous phenomenon.
Me too!
Question: does your schedule slowly morph and change over time or does it stay consistent?
Because I think I have non-24 on top of it and I was wondering if it was part of the normal symptoms or not.
If I let myself I will easily fall into a 28-30 hour cycle and end up only going through 5 or 6 “days” in a week.
I've been trying to talk my wife into dropping the brightness to 50% for years. Her phone is so bright it keeps ME up at night on the other side of the bed. I have to set up a light shield to go to sleep :P
If's hard to believe when my circadian rhythm was still fucked long before I had a screen I could take to bed.
I know it's bad for me.
I'm just too tired to care.
I believe science, that's why I use my tablet instead
Don't call me put like this just after I wake up!
If you really wanna ruin your day, apparently late night eating and skipping breakfast also fucks with the rhythm. The body has a few things it uses to keep the internal clock going, not just light.
I didn't know my mom was on Lemmy...
It's a matter of effort vs reward. Will it make it easier to sleep? Yes. Will it make it easier enough to be worth not using my phone? No.
Fine! I'll use my laptop instead.
Monkey brain need dopamines 🥺
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