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[–] [email protected] 281 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Legit had someone from my last job start going on a break room tirade about how "those damn unions just want your money" but strangely had no rebuttal when asked why giving them 2% of your paycheck is a bad thing when they negotiated your RAISE to be 15% and your health benefits add up to an additional savings of around 20%.

I'm SO SORRY you're getting extra money and healthcare rather than the NOTHING you had before.

Nowadays I like to print up cards with unionizing information on them, facts vs myths, links to read up more, anti-union tactics, links to join unions, links to find HELP setting up a union, and basically anything I could cram into a business card. Now I leave about 10 of them any time I go into a non union store.

Given how previous management has reacted to "someone" leaving these in the break room, I'm sure I've caused a few sleepless nights.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago (6 children)

For union dues, I'll sometimes bring up strikes. People know that when unions strike, they aren't working, and when they aren't working, they aren't getting paid. What they don't realize is that most unions pay the employees during strikes, and that money has to come from somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (10 children)

You're literally partially making sure you still get PAID when shit happens.

Very good point, and I honestly wonder how common that knowledge even is.

Then again, almost all anti-union propaganda hinges on people not knowing enough about the subject to call it out. As with most propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s the same people that don’t get socialised healthcare. Union fees are like a tax that’s used to pay people to do work for you, in the case of worker unions, people that negotiate working conditions, benefits, and wages, in addition to lawyers that can both offer legal advice and representation should you be in need of it.

Here in Sweden we have lots of different unions. We have a tenants union that negotiate rent increases, ensure that landlords do their end of the contract, and will help you with legal proceedings should it be required.

There are also various “customer owned” institutions, like my bank, insurance company, and the grocery store I get most of my groceries from. The goal isn’t necessarily massive profits, but enough to sustain and develop the services, with surplus going back to the owners, that is the customers.

It just makes sense. We all make use of schools as children, so funding that with taxes makes sense. It ensures everyone gets a good education, and at least one good meal per day. Same thing applies to healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (20 children)

My mother WORKS IN HEALTHCARE as the intermediary for the hospital network and the insurance companies.

She literally sees the Financials of people every fucking day.

And still she thinks socialized Healthcare would tank the entire US. I've shown charts, studies, anecdotal evidence out the wazoo (which is where anecdotal evidence usually comes from) But no, I can't possibly be right about this, it would mean someone who got stabbed will have to wait on 600 people with the sniffles to be seen by a doctor in 6 months. Because I guess in socialized medicine, triage doesn't exist? You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I will gladly pay a union.

Always worth it. Workers unite! ✊️

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My union dues last pay? 30 dollars. My union just got the government of Ontario, the shitbag conservatives, who tried to illegally withhold raises from us, and won. My union guarantees I get a set wage because they bargain for it.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 year ago

My wife's union costs her $8 a paycheck.

It also gave her 9 more PTO days, better healthcare, and negotiated to triple any outside-of-work calls because the company used to do a thing where they would send you home, and then call you back later. Wtf.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hasn't Amazon been caught deducting pay arbitrarily from delivery drivers?

In fact, given a lot of them seem to be able to be terminated at a moment's notice, so no guarantees of pay there either. And work rules? What?

Oh and talking to someone paid by the company about your grievances Vs someone independent seems like a worse alternative than the final bubble.

Man, these guys really suck at propaganda

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago

They suck at propaganda because the claims are unverifiable lies? That's not really the point of propaganda. Did it scare a number of employees into voting no on a union? If yes, then they propaganda'd just fine.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  1. The amount paid for dues is greatly exceeded by the benefits of having a union.

  2. You ARE guaranteed pay, benefits, and rules because you have a contract with the employer that covers those things.

  3. Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these morons suggesting that the union will take over for management?

That'd be a great reason to unionize

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boss: kids your age are so incredibly arrogant. You think you deserve the world.

Me: we are the same age.

Boss: huh

This actually happened.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is union life for you?

It depends. Probably yes, unless your employer pulls shit like this, in which case you should have joined yesterday

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Yup, if your employer is so dedicated to making sure you don't join a union that they make posters about it, then you definitely need to join a union.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No guarantees on pay, benefits, or work rules

Uuuhhhhhhh, isn't that the current state and literally what unions are for? Setting guarantees for all that shit?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole point is having a legally binding contract that sets wages, hours, and working conditions. Also the "going through your union instead of your manager" is super dumb. It's like saying, "why talk to your lawyer when you can just confess to the police?"

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (14 children)

They make union dues seem like a big deal, but not unionizing will cost you even more. A union will pay for itself when they negotiate a raise.

You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side. Amazon can, and does, change policies at will. A union keeps them in check.

Bringing complaints directly to your supervisor or manager will solve nothing, and in the process, it will get you on their shit list. Sometimes, anonymity is priceless.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side.

I disagree. Without a union, I CAN GUARANTEE you're getting screwed.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The fact that they have it on this blatant of a propaganda poster means that unions work.

And going through union for what you need is much more effective and quicker than letting a supervisor/manager drag their feet and kick the ball around, and that's what makes union dues worth it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because the manager is incentivized to not help you, while the union is incentivized to help you.

Unions are game-theoretically necessary.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Dues deducted from paycheck" and "typically must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager" are true. At the same time, they're minor inconveniences compared to what a bad employer does to you.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Typically must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager

Major plus in my book.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Very major, especially because it goes both ways. Hey Manager, if you got a problem with me take it up with my union rep.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Get informed"

Bold of you to tell people to do something that dangerous, Amazon.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Obviously that image is of a manager, you can tell by its over confident and under qualified stance.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’m from France where unions are kinda everywhere and workers rights well protected : what the hell is this ? Is it real ?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Can't say if this particular one is real but this definitely tracks in the USA. I've worked for companies that have mandatory meetings where anti union consultants will play out this kind of propaganda in real time.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

Wait so..having to go through your supervisor and manager is listed as a plus?????? america or not, aint noone likes going through that, usually

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The "effective due" is probably even negative because the extra money they'll fight for will be more than the due.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with

No guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules.

This is also technically true - except your union is going to collectively bargain a binding contract which gets you all those things, and prevents you from being exploited or the employer from randomly changing rules to exploit you.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have no guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules without unions either. The company can change those at any time or never change them at all.

At least a union will fight for those things on your behalf. A company has no incentive to do so and will actively oppose such things if it hurts their bottom line even slightly.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no guarantee you will get more money! Get the same money or less guaranteed instead!

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

Always love it when the people in charge know something is bad for THEM but good for US and they just throw a tasteful graphic spouting some bullshit on a page to change minds. They did this in Columbus about Issue 1 like a month ago, saying how upping the Majority Vote to 60% for state bills was just a good thing, even though it was just to prepare for issue 1 in November to repeal backwards ass Abortion Laws. It was obvious too since it was like all the pamphlet talked about

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

go through union instead of your supervisor or manager

So they’re threatening workers with a good time? Interesting strategy.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why sleep in cotton sheets on a spring mattress for $1 in dues when we can offer this manure-soaked bed of straw for only $5 in wage theft?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The union dues from my last pay period was $32.

My pay and benefits were hard fought for and won by my union, including back pay through arbitration when we got stiffed on pay for a particular part of our job for a few years.

When I have a problem, I go to my supervisor. Usually things get fixed. If they don't want to fix it, I go to my union rep and things usually get fixed fast. If they don't, I go to my union grievance officer and things definitely get fixed fast. The last thing my supervisor wants to do is deal with the union rep, let alone the grievance officer, so having those 2 backing me up goes a VERY LONG WAY over just dealing with my supervisor by myself.

Don't believe the propaganda from people with a vested interest against your rights as an employee...

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I sharpened the QR code. It reads:

http://www.unpackjfk8.com

Very surprised they didn't put ?campaign=qr, /qr or other such crap in it to measure its effectiveness as opposed to the printed URL.

(Saved you a click: domain is on sale, not used after 2022. Archive)

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Wait... are they saying that I could have sent my employees to the Union instead of endless discussions about next year's pto distribution? Could you not have said that sooner?!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Should be illegal. Vote for pro union protections people!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why everyone at corporate Amazon is fine with this. I am a white collar corporate sell out asshole and I support unions 100% of the time, full stop.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Given how big a shitshow Amazon is, both in fulfillment and corporate, I'm shocked that they weren't the first tech company to fully unionise.

Well, I say that knowing that there are lots of people that are extremely anti-union, even those that have suffered due to RTO/RTT, or Amazon's infamous PIP culture.

And I say this knowing that Amazon workers could happily form a union with 250k workers, and Amazon would happily fire them without a thought, even if it actively harmed them.

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