You know when you see a thread full of people excited to justify the post war nazi collaboration, and also at the same time seem to think that the US alone won WW2, and to top it off are frantically posting about the tankies... idk dude it just doesn't feel great. I can't believe how much nazi apologia I've seen creeping up the past couple years, but the past month still feels like a fever dream

Good thing they defederated from Hexbear. Otherwise authoritarian misinformation and propaganda might have run wild on their trans friendly instance.

"Yeah we should have just killed every German! That would show those dumb Nazis!"

Damn if only there was a middle ground between execution and funneling Nazi elite into your highest echelons of power

The sad fact is that Marxist-Leninism allows a buildup of nationalist and ethnonationalist sentiment within their states, even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class.

What in the absolute fuck are these people on?

Oh right, v*ush

Another despicable historical distortion going on in those comments is about the treaty of Versailles. American liberals like to go on about how it was so harsh that the rise of Nazism was a perfectly rational reaction. That's not only historically highly dubious – it was much less harsh than most anything the German Empire did to the losers of its wars (see Brest-Litovsk) – but it's also, like, only two degrees away from the stab-in-the-back myth (Dolchstoßlegende). That is to say: The Nazis liked to claim that the horrible economic state of the Republic was due to the "traitors" who gave up on WWI and signed the treaty, causing all of Germany's economic problems (never mind the Great Depression). No one should be agreeing with the Nazis on any part of that idea.

The morons in the comments who think the US was the deciding factor in WW2 are hardly better

I pointed out to a lib and a conservative I know about how many important positions found themselves filled with Nazis and they both looked them up and said "But they say there were forced to (join the Nazis)"

If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it

one of them tries the "but they were scientists" angle, as though NATO chief of staff is somehow a scientific position doing lab research or something? .... and not, say, a position that is crucial for providing logistical, material, and financial support to right-wing terror networks of paramilitaries organized and activated to prevent the left from taking advantage of popularity over conservatism in recently liberated democratic countries delivered from from right wing fascists by leftist partisans and the red army.

Nazi politicians produce nazi policies. Nazi scientists produce scientific research.

because science is historically apolitical and "research" produced by nazis/racists/etc is definitely known for being very objective......

Yea I wouldn’t comment something like this in a vacuum, but based on comments they made and the fact that nazis being in nato is a common justification for russian imperialism among tankies, op definitely is a tankie

Oh wait you’re a hexbear user, fuck Idk why I bothered explaining myself to you lol

KICK TANKIES OUT OF 196

Damn, that's a crazy explanation. Not liking Nazis makes you a tankie. I don't even need nazis in NATO to not like NATO

But the whole meme is pointless. Seems like calling out that these people shouldn’t have been allowed to be part of a new society after the nazi state was destroyed. It’s not that easy no matter how much people like to draw history and the world as a whole as black and white.

It is in fact that easy.

V*ushites keep overloading and breaking my , something has got to be done about them.

/r/196 used to be really progressive, political, and openly left wing.

My gut tells me that the "anti tankie" discourse there was entirely fabricated / astro-turfed by Langley.

kick tankies out of 196!

“Do I not destroy my enemies if I make them my friends?” - Abraham Lincoln

Openly admitting they're okay with being friends with Nazis.

The Ledditors have committed a whataboutism, so I am forced to declare OP the winner.

Inconvenient truths are tankie propaganda now, apparently

This has to be an op. I cannot imagine normal folks spitting such bad takes so confidently

The 3 who were high-up Nazis and were in their political positions due to being Nazis is definitely worse than Von Braun. I don't understand how you defend that. You're telling me they couldn't find 3 non-nazis to do that stuff, and that those Nazis had special experience due to trying to move politically up under fascism?

Von Braun is more understandable to defend out of ignorance, even if I disagree with it. He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.

He was also a good rocket scientist with actual technical knowledge, unlike the other 3 who were military guys on a side that lost the war. If you told me that you couldn't find a non-nazi who would be able to head a rocket program as well then I'd be more inclined to believe that.

He also should've never been the head of NASA, and his career advancement should've been capped so we don't see his name praised in history books. It's disrespectful to have a guy who definitely used concentration camp labour to be a well-known rocket scientist. Meanwhile nobody can name the nazi scientists the USSR took.

Not even getting to recruited Nazi torturers like Klaus Barbie used for Gladio shit.

The people of NATO at it again

Also saying the USSR was bad and doing a ‘whataboutism’ by criticising the US for lynching black people, like KKK apologia to go along with the Nazi apologia.