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Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Found an AI bro making an incoherent defense of AI slop today (fitting that he previously shilled NFTs):

Needless to say, he's getting dunked on in the replies and QRTs, because people like him are fundamentally incapable of being punk.

(EDIT: Originally found this through Bluesky)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

Yes, doing the thing which the entire business world is pouring billions into and trying their hardest to shove onto everyone to maximize imagined future profits, that's what counterculture is all about.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

Making art with the help of tech billionaires is so punk rock man!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

@bigfondue @BlueMonday1984

Just as Jello Biafra intended. Wait. What?

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

Wikipedia has higher standards than the American HIstorical Association. Let's all let that sink in for a minute.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Image should be clearly marked as AI generated and with explicit discussion as to how the image was created. Images should not be shared beyond the classroom

This point stood out to me as particularly bizarre. Either the image is garbage in which case it shouldn't be shared in the classroom either because school students deserve basic respect, good material, and to be held to the same standards as anyone else; or it isn't garbage and then what are you so ashamed of AHA?

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Cloudflare has publicly announced the obvious about Perplexity stealing people's data to run their plagiarism, and responded by de-listing them as a verified bot and added heuristics specifically to block their crawling attempts.

Personally, I'm expecting this will significantly hamper Perpllexity going forward, considering Cloudflare's just cut them off from roughly a fifth of the Internet.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Recently, I've been seeing a lot of adverts from Google about their AI services. What really tickles me is how defeatist the campaign seems. Every ad is basically like "AI can't do X, but it can do Y!", where X is a job or other task that AI bros are certain that AI will eventually replace, and Y is a smaller, related thing that AI gets wrong anyway. For an ad agency, I'd expect more than this.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Found someone trying to fire back at the widespread sneering against promptfondlers:

Emphasis on "trying" here - they're getting cooked in the replies and QRTs. Here's a couple highlights - one from someone running an escape room, and one which allegedly ended in someone meeting a baseballer:

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

To be fair to baseball girl, I've found "what's this thing I know but I forgot the name of" one of the best use cases for chatbots, because web search is too fucked to help you with it now. It sucks that it's the case, but it has sadly helped me like, a couple of times (and after I insulted and redirected the chatbot when it inevitably gave me a shit initial answer).

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

A nice long essay by Freddie deBoer for our holiday week: the release of GPT-5; I wholly recommend reading the whole thing!

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/the-rage-of-the-ai-guy

Choice snippet to whet your appetites:

"With all of this, I’m only asking you to observe the world around you and report back on whether revolutionary change has in fact happened. I understand, we are still very early in the history of LLMs. Maybe they’ll actually change the world, the way they’re projected to. But, look, within a quarter-century of the automobile becoming available as a mass consumer technology, its adoption had utterly changed the lived environment of the United States. You only had to walk outside to see the changes they had wrought. So too with electrification: if you went to the top of a hill overlooking a town at night pre-electrification, then went again after that town electrified, you’d see the immensity of that change with your own two eyes. Compare the maternal death rate in 1800 with the maternal death rate in 2000 and you will see what epoch-changing technological advance looks like. Consider how slowly the news of King William IV’s death spread throughout the world in 1837 and then look at how quickly the news of his successor Queen Victoria’s death spread in 1901, to see truly remarkable change via technology. AI chatbots and shitty clickbait videos choking the social internet do not rate in that context, I’m sorry. I will be impressed with the changes wrought by the supposed AI era when you can show me those changes rather than telling me that they’re going to happen. Show me. Show me!"

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

like with the terrorist group isil, you should not give it to freddie de fucking boer.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I'm ignorant- give me the lore drop.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Back in 2017, Freddie lost an argument with Malcolm Harris, lobbed some completely made-up sexual harassment allegations against Harris, and then blamed the whole thing on a bipolar episode. Nowadays he just makes up professors to get mad at.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

According to wikipedia he's a eugenics enjoyer. Another W for nominative determinism I guess.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Hey come now, it is a common Dutch last name. Don't slander Dutch people who are called boer (farmer) like that. Do it for the right reasons. We all suck, no matter our last names.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Wasn't the original designation of Boers (as in the Boer war) a denigrating term?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

No idea. Prob best to check wikipedia for that. Could be last names, could be occupation, could be some denigrating term.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Looks like it's an endonym, or was at the time. OFC the reason for the Great Trek was that the boers were pissed they couldn't have slaves anymore while under British rule. Charming people all around.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oof, thanks for the heads up!

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I feel ya, I got got by that Sam Kriss piece dunking on hpmor last week.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Could be worse, I got got by some neofascist scum who was dunking on rationalists.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I was thinking about that in reaction to something else. Anytime somebody casually brings up chrischan (she has been a decades long stalking/harassement target) should have been a bit of a red flag.

(E: not blaming people for missing that btw, it just stood out to me).

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Never trust a guy with a substack

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Ran across a pretty solid sneer: Every Reason Why I Hate AI and You Should Too.

Found a particularly notable paragraph near the end, focusing on the people focusing on "prompt engineering":

In fear of being replaced by the hypothetical ‘AI-accelerated employee’, people are forgoing acquiring essential skills and deep knowledge, instead choosing to focus on “prompt engineering”. It’s somewhat ironic, because if AGI happens there will be no need for ‘prompt-engineers’. And if it doesn’t, the people with only surface level knowledge who cannot perform tasks without the help of AI will be extremely abundant, and thus extremely replaceable.

You want my take, I'd personally go further and say the people who can't perform tasks without AI will wind up borderline-unemployable once this bubble bursts - they're gonna need a highly expensive chatbot to do anything at all, they're gonna be less productive than AI-abstaining workers whilst falsely believing they're more productive, they're gonna be hated by their coworkers for using AI, and they're gonna flounder if forced to come up with a novel/creative idea.

All in all, any promptfondlers still existing after the bubble will likely be fired swiftly and struggle to find new work, as they end up becoming significant drags to any company's bottom line.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Promptfondling really does feel like the dumbest possible middle ground. If you're willing to spend the time and energy learning how to define things with the kind of language and detail that allows a computer to effectively work on them, we already have tools for that: they're called programming languages. Past a certain point trying to optimize your "natural language" prompts to improve your odds from the LLM gacha you're doing the digital equivalent sot trying to speak a foreign language by repeating yourself louder and slower.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Good news everyone, we will be living with Big Yud until the literal end of time (see comments)

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/owZt48g3GjJHDn5EE/kvmanthinking-s-shortform?commentId=YisxiwcWZq7eMPxSX

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Stars are very likely extremely wasteful anyway and worth disassembling

ugh you guys suck

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Anybody have the adresses of the lw people? I have some oil I want to sell them, has a very small chance of extending life.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

If only there was some widely-known Rationalist cliche about incredibly small probabilities with absurdly high negative impacts.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Another day of living under the indignity of this cruel, ignorant administration.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

There's something particularly galling about "everybody who knows how to access the money got fired". The wholly believable implication that nobody made an active choice to fuck this guy over. Through sheer incompetence that money just vanished into the goddamn ether because God forbid anyone in the modern business or political spaces actually have to take responsibility for their decisions.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Historians like to use "state capacity" as a term for what a state is capable of doing. The government leader might want to build a great bridge, and might order it done, but depending on which state in which era it might not be a thing that is possible to execute.

I didn't think we would see a powerful state like the US so willfully destroy its state capacity (except for violence), but here we are and “everybody who knows how to access the money got fired”

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Lightcone Infrastructure is running The Inkhaven Residency. For the 30 days of November, ~30 people will posts 30 blogposts – 1 per day. There will also be feedback and mentorship from other great writers, including Scott Alexander, Scott Aaronson, Gwern, and more TBA.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CA6XfmzYoGFWNhH8e/the-inkhaven-residency

"Hmm, your blog post is good, but it would be better with more Adderall, less recognition that other people have minds distinct from your own, and 220% more words."

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago

ChatControl is back on the table here in Europe AGAIN (you've probably heard), with mandatory age checking sprinkled on to as a treat.

I honestly feel physically ill at this point. Like a constant, unignorable digital angst eating away at my sanity. I don't want any part in this shit anymore.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

ChatControl in the EU, the Online Safety Act in the UK, Australia's age gate for social media, a boatload of censorious state laws here in the US and staring down the barrel of KOSA... yeah.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yes, of course, it's everywhere. What's left but becoming a hermit...?

But you know what makes me extra mad about the age restrictions? I don't think they are a bad idea per se. Keeping teens from watching porn or kids from spending most of their waking hours on brainrot on social media is, in and on itself, a good idea. What does make me mad is that this could easily be done in a privacy-respecting fashion (towards site providers and governments simultaneously). The fact that it isn't - that you'll need to share your real, passport-backed identity with a bunch of sites - tells you everything you need to know about these endeavors, I think.

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