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https://x.com/SecBlinken/status/1707826104759705760?s=20

EDIT: Also the community notes kept disappearing at times, probably butthurt lmayo s

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[-] [email protected] 105 points 2 years ago

why the fuck would the nazis' mortal enemy bury evidence of the nazis' atrocities?

talking about the ussr ofc, america was never actually the nazis' enemy

[-] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago

galaxy-brain well you see, communism and nazism are actually the exact same thing

[-] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I can't even think of what the reason he would say the Soviets would have to bury the history. I went to the post to see if users agreed or added more to his point but of course he hid the replies.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

According to NATOpedia, the USSR emphasized all of the victims at Babi Yar, soviets of all ethnicities and so didnt erect memorials specifically to Jewish and Roma victims. Something like 34,000 Jews, basically every Jew in Kiev was murdered there and then over the next months or years many more people, Poles, disabled, Russians, Communists etc were also killed with total victims being about 100,000.

So the soviets did not bury the history, they openly acknowledged the history but emphasized all victims as civilians murdered by fascism and didn’t emphasize the Jewish and Roma genocides explicitly or prominently. Thats my understanding of what Blinken means by “buried history” after a quick glance at wikipedia at least.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

well that would be explained if the soviets didn't really think the ethnicity of the people murdered mattered. It's as wrong to kill a Roma or Jewish person as it is to kill anyone else after all

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

That’s true but it’s also probably true that the mass murder of Jews there being one of the biggest single mass killings of the Jewish Holocaust deserves special acknowledgment.

Now, I’m not commenting one way or the other on whether the Soviets failed to do that because I really don’t know, I was just relaying what I believe to be Blinken’s justification for what he said in the tweet, for anybody who’s wondering what the hell he’s even getting at. I still think he’s being a disingenuous and ridiculous using the phrase “buried the history” because we know that the Soviets did not engage in Holocaust denialism. There’s a nuanced conversation to be had, Blinken isn’t doing that, he’s reaching for a cheap political score against the Russians.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

I can see justifications for both as the decimation of the Jewish population was especially tragic but also the idea that Jews aren't a true part of their homeland is antisemitic and it would be bad to in the wake of the holocaust acknowledge any of the logic behind it

[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Stalin used time travel to learn of the current situation and decided to cover it up so Putin could spring it as propaganda or whatever.

Good to know that the US secretary of state is trustworthy as always.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

Blinken was one of the officials on Biden's staff waaay back in the early aughts that helped goad Biden into pounding the table for the invasion of Iraq. You can count on him to reliably have the absolute worst position on all things foreign policy.

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[-] [email protected] 83 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"US Official" kind of undersells it. This is the Secretary of State. It is the highest ranking position in the executive branch that doesn't end in "President."

[-] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago

The secretary of state passively did some Holocaust revisionism and the average Joe STILL thinks the government isn't fascist ENOUGH.

[-] [email protected] 73 points 2 years ago

why would the soviets cover up a nazi massacre

[-] [email protected] 71 points 2 years ago

They're obviously evil, haven't you watched Stranger Things?

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

fr, easy propaganda win against an invader

makes no fucking sense

[-] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago

They call him Blinken because you gotta be asleep to believe his words

[-] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

grillman: "Wait, you're a Holocaust denier? Get a load of the SJW reverse-racist over here! Why deny the Holocaust when you can just say the soviets did it and Nazi Germany was squeaky clean? I mean, communism is bad because high school said so, but ironically this logic does not play out for the nazis or the confederates."

This is going to be their new talking point, isn't it? Because of course the biggest threat to the west would do what it can to make the ultimate expression of the west's bourgeoisie, sinful history look good.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

Next week: Soviet soldiers did not liberate Auschwitz. Ukrainian soldiers did

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

That has literally already happened. Too lazy to dig it up though.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

doomer Yeah I remember that shit from like a year ago I think

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I've heard "Zhukov wasn't soviet he was Ukrainian" now even including Ukrainians in high level government positions is oppressing Ukrainians

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Pretty soon liberals will be on some race science shit about soviet being an exctinct neanderthal race that superior skulled Ukrainians outbred and replaced by 1991

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago

EDIT: Also the community notes kept disappearing at times, probably butthurt lmayo s

They announced earlier this week that they're going to remove community notes. Tbh I thought they'd be gone by now

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

They announced earlier this week that they're going to remove community notes. Tbh I thought they'd be gone by now

Probably clashes with engagement. If a note correction exists then it takes away outrage engagement that would otherwise be generated by people trying to oppose complete and total bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

Is there ever a consequence to blatant falsehood? Surely there is a folly to a confidence game without a tether to reality

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

shoutout to readers adding context

[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

Fuuuuuck this shit

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

usians are the most propagandized people on earth

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

What the actual actual fuck.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Did he mix up Katyn and Babyn or something?

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

One of my friends was saying the Soviets were covering it up because they said it was a massacre of Soviet citizens and played down that it was a massacre of Jews. And that is where the minimizing the Holocaust narrative comes in. It's just so in the weeds I don't care. And Blinken obviously isn't the one trying to be nuanced.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

The greater irony in this twisted logic is that the Holocaust happened to more groups than just Jews but here in amerikkka the version we're taught in schools tends to not talk about how the nazis wanted to exterminate slavs or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

The US probably doesn't want to teach about LGBT people in the Holocaust because when the US liberated the camps they freed the Jews but they kept the homosexuals imprisoned within the camps.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

In answer to your inquiry :

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin January 12, 1931

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Of course this does ignore the fact that there is nothing about being Jewish that makes you less of a soviet citizen

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