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A federal judge on Friday ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt immigration raids in Los Angeles and several other counties in California, after ruling in favor of the American Civil Liberties Union's civil rights lawsuit. 

"As required by the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, Defendants shall be enjoined from conducting detentive stops in this District unless the agent or officer has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law," U.S. District Judge Maame Ewusi-Mensah Frimpong wrote in her ruling.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

unless reasonable suspicion that the person is [...] in violation of U.S. immigration law

Ah so this is another powderpuff order to be ignored. Why not just say "has concrete evidence"? Don't want to make it too obvious the house of cards has already collapsed when they completely ignore you?

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

Under the law, the word “reasonable” is not the loophole that it looks like at first blush.

Reasonable suspicion requires some degree of concrete evidence, it just means it doesn’t have to be a smoking gun. For example, reasonable suspicion of stealing would be something like a person being in possession of an inexplicably large number of unopened electronics when there has just been a burglary of an electronics store nearby. They dont have to have you on camera recognizably stealing to arrest you in that circumstance.

Being black and in the vicinity of the robbed electronics store would not be something that “reasonable suspicion” covers under the law. This ruling is no different. It basically says that ICE cant just stop random brown people on the street, or conduct raids on random workplaces. They have to be looking for specific individuals for arguable reasons

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

None of that has mattered or will matter to the administration. It's becoming very obvious that they decide the crime, criminals and punishment (in any order they please). Legal precedent, clear constitutional rights and established jurisdiction don't mean anything. Whatever rulings they don't want will be thrown out and the ones they keep will be grist for the fascist mill.

The only thing the judge can do here is release a soundbite that makes it clear the actions that continue are in violation of the court order. Legalese is not that, no matter how technically correct.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

How much you wanna bet that they keep doing it, anyway?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

That's my concern. We're pretty fucking fed up with this shit.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago
[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

IIRC, border agents do have some expanded authority within a certain distance of the border, and that might affect some of California, but not Los Angeles.

kagis

Ahhh. Apparently water borders count. Doesn't need to be a land border.

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-border-patrol-internal-arrests-3f37f3ad15a31f2f1b7c57def9f2c055

Agents are granted by federal law the ability to stop and question people within 100 miles (161 kilometers) of the border, including the coasts. They have heightened authority to board and search buses, trains and vessels without a warrant within the zone.

That encompasses vast swaths of the country that include about two-thirds of the U.S. population, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Los Angeles is well within 100 miles of the Pacific Ocean.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Last I remember, airports are also treated as borders. I cannot remember if it was all airports, which Im sure it is, or just international airports. Why wouldnt it be every airport?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I think it’s just intentional but it’s still ridiculous. What percentage of people do not live within 100 miles of a border, coast, or international airport? The number is not large.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

What percentage of people do not live within 100 miles of a border, coast, or international airport?

Has to be in single digits.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, but they still need to have reasonable suspicion to do so. They can't just sweep an area and pick up every brown person they think might be in the country illegally. Outside of an official border crossing they need to be looking for specific individuals.

Just like police have the ability to pull over a driver, but they can't just do it because they feel like it. Without reasonable suspicion it's an illegal stop.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Agents are granted by federal law the ability to stop and question people within 100 miles (161 kilometers) of the border

They can, but nobody is required to answer any questions they ask.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Water could be considered a border to maga

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not just MAGA. Coasts count.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Uh oh, they might come from the sky, I guess we gotta put ICE everywhere

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You’re joking but this is more or less the law with minor exceptions. Basically everywhere near an airport is covered so it’s mostly remote areas that are not.

Edit: or maybe I misremembered? I can’t find anything on the airports.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ICE does not need to be watching for parachuting immigrants.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

And any international airport, since they're a port of entry.

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