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[–] 350 points 1 year ago (66 children)

All these stories about zoomers not knowing how to do computer stuff is making me want to write a fantasy world where magic is prevalent but most people do not bother to know how it works or question it beyond its surface applications, despite it being the basis for all military and economic might.

Well I wanted to write that, but then I realized I was talking about FMA: Brotherhood.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I feel like the Empire in warhammer 40k operates on a similar premise, all there machune rituals and what not are just maintanance, but nobody understands the machines, so they'll just reenact what was shown to someone eons ago or what have seemed to cause some effect.

    just like me blowing into NES Cartridges when a game would not start :D.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Discworld's magic system is like this. The wizards often don't know why certain parts of a ritual or spell are in place, but it works so they don't touch it

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Half of the plots of the Wizard books are about what happens when someone ignores that advice and does start poking at things better left alone. Wizards are only human after all, and the magical equivalent of a "don't touch; wet paint" sign leaves them so very tempted.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Meanwhile a research such as Miss Level asks, and keeps a log of, what subspecies of henbane works best and does it work better if collected at midnight under the full moon?

    While Esmé Weatherwax eschews most magic mostly, preferring Hard Work and Headology, even against Death. Unless magic is really required, when she digs deep into the strongest magic imaginable.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This was one of my biggest gripes with the JK Rowling Wizarding World before Rowling herself gave me other reasons to dislike it

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is something I think about a lot, and has been done well in fiction plenty already. My adhd wouldn’t just go away in a fantasy world. Sure I might have a burst of motivation for a while, but I probably wouldn’t magically be interested in studying and research just because I might be able to do some basic magic.

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    [–] 96 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    It was inevitable. Long ago you had to know a lot about cars and engines to own a car. Now only enthusiasts know that kind of stuff.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    I always found it fascinating to learn about the things I used in my life worked, because as a kid I loved learning to take things apart, mod, and put them back together. But there never seems to be enough time to study and understand everything, because most devices we use are over-engineered (read: repair hostile), so I can't ever think about becoming a jack of all trades like my family members are.

    Electronics, yes. Mechanical, no. I have to pay someone else to help me.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Eh, there's a curiosity aspect as well. I can't do work on my car, but I can change the oil, tires, brake pads, and such. I understand the principle of how an IC engine works. I'm a computer programmer but I think it's because I'm a curious person who likes knowing how things work, and computers offer more chances to learn than anything else on the planet.

    It isn't ignorance that has ever bothered me about boomers, zoomers, or anyone else. It's that 99% of people you meet are fundamentally incurious. They don't care how things work, they don't care if they could work differently.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Reminds me about that line in World War Z (Max Brooks)

    (Paraphrasing) "Some survivors were frustrated with the assignments they were given. A lady who was a former TV exec was furious that she was assigned to a janitorial unit, led by someone who's lifetime salary she made in a month!

    For people like her, you didn't have to worry about fixing a plumbing issue or cleaning your home. She just hired someone else to do it, because she made money talking on the phone, and the more people she hired, the more time she could spend talking on the phone. After the Great Panic, nobody bothered to use phones anymore. There were no TV contracts that needed to be made, but there were toilets that needed work, and floors to clean. In a strange way, the blue collar workers outranked their "superiors" in importance to the community. We needed mechanics, engineers, HVAC workers, plumbers. We had those people of course, but there was never enough of them."

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Reminds me of the story of Golgafrincham from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy books:

    The planet Golgafrincham creatively solved the problem of middle managers: it blasted them in to space.

    Golgafrinchan Telephone Sanitisers, Management Consultants and Marketing executives were persuaded that the planet was under threat from an enormous mutant star goat. The useless third of their population was then packed in Ark spaceships and sent to an insignificant planet.

    That planet turned out to be Earth.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So like, how did she get an emulator working on iOS without knowing how?

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    A lot of emulators are just apps, but the iso itself is a bigger mystery. My guess is an older sibling or even parent helped set that up. Nobody in their right mind would bundle a licensed game with an emulator on the app store.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    It's like that 'What's a computer?' ad

    Everything is so abstracted nowadays that even the specialists are disconnected from understanding the underlying systems

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The concept of an emulator isn't even that old. Like, literally all throughout the 2000s and 2010s. How did this generation grow up so oblivious to everything? "What's an emulator?" "How do you use a computer?"

    Bro, are we talking about 80 year olds or 20 year olds

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Smartphones have made tech interaction ridiculously accessible and also into a locked down blackbox kinda thing at the same time. Consider how everything is a website now, and yet many people don't know how to use a browser, as they install hundreds of apps instead.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As someone who is 25 I get some weird looks when I blankly and automatically tell people I don't have nor will I use apps for store services. I'll use a website happily but the busted ass apps can go fuck themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For me it's the privacy angle that matters.

    All these restaurant apps being pushed like "it's cheaper on the app!" and "you can get a free side on the app!"

    And I'm almost tempted to install it, but then I remember by doing so I'm giving the company a wealth of data to slurp on me, letting them bombard me with notifications, and giving their logo a shining advertisement spot in my app drawer so every time I'm hungry I see it, and want it.

    When I think about the higher non-app price in those terms, as a "privacy tax" to keep my data and my dignity, then I'm happy to pay it.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What do you mean? He just prays to the machine spirit.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If the oldest zoomers are almost 30 and the youngest are just barely teens, I guess we've reached the point where "younger" zoomers could be 18 or 20.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    What's the cutoff year for this mindset? Granted, I'm an electrical engineer, but I was born in the early 2000s, and my friends had a solid grasp of computer software and hardware fundamentals.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    It’s not an age thing so much as an “amount of interest” thing. The barriers to entry are constantly being lowered, so it takes less skill and investment to get involved in things.

    It’s one thing to download a free trial of something like photoshop, it’s another thing to spend years using it to the point where you understand the full capabilities of what you can do with it.

    As you get older you’ll see things that used to require a lot of effort to get into become easier and easier to access. It’s the march of technological progress, and it might make you feel like it’s devaluing the things you used to value. And then you’ll understand why your grandparents were always going on about “Back in my day…”

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    part of it is down to exposure as well, if you grow up in a place where you can't just buy the latest iphone every year it's a lot more likely that you'll end up fiddling around with stuff and learn how it works.

    like india has a lot of this, people can't afford a new device but it's not that difficult to get some "e-waste" which is still perfectly functional (if slow), so kids are way more likely to end up fiddling around and learning.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I had restrictive parents who wanted to investigate and limit every part of my digital life, so most of my motivation came from getting the most out of the devices I could access. Usually that involved manipulating software to break parental digital locks, or to install more featured homebrew to access websites (and emulators).

    Financially, my folks could have gotten me what I wanted out of my tech, but tried to hold me back because of their personal views. That was what drove me to get creative and understand more about all my devices.

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