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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A few public commentators have pointed out how boneheaded it is for the Democrats to suddenly be in a panic about "young men" after clutching their pearls about the "Obama boys" and "Bernie bros" for nearly 20 years, but I think something has been missed in this conversation. We're talking about a party of litches here. To them, "young men" probably includes all Millenials. Men under 40. Many of whom are married, are advancing in their careers, might have children, and would typically own a home by now but instead have been renting for over a decade already.

The age of people who have lived their entire lives without seeing the Democratic Party do anything substantially productive is only increasing. It is approaching an absolute majority, if it isn't already there. This panic about "young" men is cope. Their problem is much worse. Of course, their solution demonstrates no self-reflection. Now that they're done calling the "Bernie bros" horseshoe theory fascists for undermining their moral superiority by asking for healthcare, their takeaway is "men want fascism so we should be more fascist."

Mens issues, in general, are just normal issues. I want to be able to see a doctor and a dentist. I want to be able to keep my shitty car working. I want to be challenged intellectually at work, rather than be beast of burden or a human sorting machine. I want there to be public spaces where people go for recreational purposes, and people with time for recreation who use them, so I can make some friends. So all social interactions aren't mediated by social media monopolies and hook-up apps. I want to stop paying rent to a scumbag landlord someday. My wife and I deserve a house. We've already paid enough for one. I want to retire eventually.

But the Democrats, in an appeal to "men," are going to try to cook up a pro-"Abundance" Andrew Tate in a lab.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago

If libs want to connect with young men, they need to give them something to fight for.

The right tells young men that they're Chad kings who dominate all those around them Patrick Bateman John wick based gods.

Tell good hearted young men that they need to stand up and fight Nazis tooth and nail, and that will give a lot of them purpose.

This won't happen because:

  1. Democrats can't imagine fighting for anything
  2. Democrats won't actually call their opposition Nazis
  3. Democrats especially don't want to fight Nazis

Case and point, the cowards already cancelled the event.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I remember Olivia demanding that Biden stay in the race until the second that he dropped out. I'm confused about who actually is her fans, so I went to her substack and found an unintentionally funny article she wrote trying to make peace with leftists.

https://oliviajulianna.substack.com/p/how-a-biden-dead-ender-found-common

One part of that evolution included defending the Democratic Party and its elected leaders, even when others on the left were quick to criticize. I also became quick to challenge those further left than me—leftists whose anti-capitalist, anti-institutional politics clashed with my staunch liberalism.

I picked fights. I posted videos. And I earned backlash. Many leftist creators—some with platforms even larger than mine—have taken public shots at me for supporting Democrats or for being, in their view, too aligned with the party’s talking points (a bootlicking sellout.)

I’m someone who manages to draw ire from both the far left and the far right. ... I’ve become a lightning rod.

From my perspective, stepping down didn’t seem likely ... So, I chose to stay the course, even as some began labeling those of us who did as “Biden dead-enders”

Criticism came from ... parts of the left ... given the lack of visible Palestinian representation on the DNC stage—something entirely outside my control.

In the heat of election season and the looming threat of another Trump presidency, I kept fighting. I kept attacking Republicans—and I kept picking fights with people on the left.

Then came the election. Kamala lost. And I spiraled.

As 2025 began, I made a resolution: to approach politics—and people—with more compassion and discipline. As a Christian, I’d already been on a journey to strengthen my faith.

So when Lent arrived—a 40-day period of reflection and preparation—I committed to something unexpected: letting go of the urge to fight leftists online.

I stopped provoking. ... I realized how much of my previous content had been reactive, unnecessary, and even counterproductive.

I had conversations with leftist creators who told me they respected me ... In that hour-long conversation, I felt something release—a weight I’d been carrying for five years. ... most of us on the left are grounded in the same core values: decency, kindness, and compassion.

leftists may view liberals as performative or ineffective based on the actions of a few, liberals can also fall into the trap of dismissing all leftists

This isn’t moderates versus progressives. It’s not liberals versus leftists. ... You can either fight back against right-wing extremism, or you can retreat into cynicism.

She took a massive L riding for Biden. Now she thinks she can appeal to leftists by engaging with civility. She hasn't even changed. She is still anti-Leftist but she think leftists will be forced to work with her now because Trump is in office.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

As a Christian

wtyp

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

I had conversations with leftist creators who told me they respected me

doubt

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Criticism came from ... parts of the left ... given the lack of visible Palestinian representation on the DNC stage—something entirely outside my control.

This is a wild way to defend yourself, because no one is asking you to exert magical control over reality. But you certainly should have control over the positions you support and the people you're defending.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Now she thinks she can appeal to leftists by engaging with civility.

😔

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Cancelled already

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

if you want to connect with young men, use an umbilical cord like a normal person, gosh

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Richard Hanania becoming accepted in lib circles is so fucking weird, he's pretty openly a nazi.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

how is that weird? that's just libs.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know we like to say stuff like scratch a lib and a fascist bleeds, but you're still talking about a scratched lib. They don't tend to go for the openly fascistic until they face opposition or it becomes convenient. Respectability politics tend to prevent libs from openly palling about with the skull shape weirdos, and Richard Hanania is a skull shape weirdo.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's not just a saying. It's a reminder that all ideologically committed liberals follow the same internal logic as fascists.

They have been scratched in this instance, they lost the popular vote, which was the one thing they could always console themselves with. It's a blow to their egos.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

It's not just a saying. It's a reminder that all ideologically committed liberals follow the same internal logic as fascists.

No, it's not. It's in reference to liberals embracing fascism as soon as it becomes personally convenient or they face hardship (Which can be as little as personal criticism). A similar idea would be the one expressed by the Phil Ochs quote "[Liberals are] Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. "

Hanania's inclusion into the circle of acceptability began before the election of Trump. He is in there because he is good at using lib coded words, and it's odd because he uses those words to endorse policies that are the exact opposite of what they claim they want. During 2023 he was writing about how black people were subhuman while he was being embraced by the libs.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

It is.

The reason they embrace fascism is because the logical endpoint of liberalism in crisis is fascism. It is the same internal logic as fascism, just not taken to it's logical conclusion, which is fascism. Liberalism of the past was literally the destruction of entire civilizations under the premise of 'civilizing' them. Phil Ochs is a clever song writer, but his words are not philosophy nor are they grounded in the historical nature of liberalism and fascism. The actions of liberals are always right of center, it's just that their words will switch from one side to the other depending on whose vote they are courting. They are often just as much sophists as fascists are, it's just they already hold the power so they don't need to make any moves to grab it. It is about maintenance.

Progressives and neo-Progressives are pretty much 100% responsible for any kind of left wing policy in the U.S. and while you can argue they are liberals, ultimately their ideology stems more as a liberalizing of communist ideas, than a communizing of liberal ideas, usually cribbing from the socialist movements in the Midwest.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

It is.

No. I'm sorry, you're just wrong. You're saying a thing and that thing isn't true. The phrase originates with the black panthers who used it to talk about the exact same thing Ochs is talking about, how quickly everyday liberals would embrace fascism (Manifested through supporting racist policies as soon as it in any way affected their own social milieu) the moment it became convenient to maintain the status quo even though they may have previously espoused opposition to fascism.

Progressives and neo-Progressives are pretty much 100% responsible for any kind of left wing policy in the U.S. and while you can argue they are liberals, ultimately their ideology stems more as a liberalizing of communist ideas, than a communizing of liberal ideas, usually cribbing from the socialist movements in the Midwest.

The lady in that picture is a "Progressive" who supported genocide and is now openly embracing a nazi. AOC could not bring herself to oppose genocide. "Progressives" are liberals, there is no actual divide. All "Left wing" policies embraced by the US have been embraced by liberals as a reaction to internal and external pressure resulting in the need for concession by capital.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

My bad. I wasn't aware it came from the black panthers. I learned it as a part of an epistemology of liberalism lecture from a Marxist activist way back in like 2016. At the time I didn't actually get it, as I considered myself liberal, but I will recalibrate what it is supposed to mean, since I just thought it was a general phrase.

AOC is neo-progressive at best, with the OG progressives being the ones in the 1890s-1920s who were into eugenics and public sanitariums, but also women's sufferage and public libraries (which is why I kinda understood the want to rehabilitate the label), but she hasn't even done basic shit so she might as well be a liberal at this point, no matter what she calls herself. There are neo-progressives who do oppose the genocide, but they don't really constitute a real defined political movement or ideology. So I guess that is just liberalism too.

Thanks!

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

canadian libs clapped for a moldering ukronazi in their parliament. were they being scratched?

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, yeah? The entire western lib sphere were "scratched" by the Russian-Ukranian war (That's how Azov went from terrorists to freedom fighters in the western media), and they still all tried to memory hole the whole thing once people pointed out that he was a nazi in a way they couldn't pretend was "Russian propaganda". If you're going to point out the ukranian nazi problem in Canada there's way better examples, the whole place is swimming in them in influential positions.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Loserpalooza kelly

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Other way around. You could never be a lib grifter because you do have a heart. heart-sickle

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

If you are not a liberal grifter when you are young then you have no heart.

If you are not a chud grifter once you are old then you have no brain.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Young man! there's no need to feel down
I said, young man! pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man! 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

none of these people look like anybody the “young men” democrats want to reach would even listen to even if this did end up happening. that little nazi one doesn’t even have any real thoughts. he’s just going from grift to grift and the democratic establishment were the next ones dumb enough to take the bait which is pretty typical

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I wonder if she's on track to become Liberal Hitler or the farcical version of Beto O'rourke/Stacey Abrams. Of all the weird democratic twitter mercenaries, she might be the most obnoxious who wasn't there in 2016.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Hey, quick question, if young men decided you were a worthy servant and materially supported you, what kind of benefit would they expect?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Well that's just it - it isn't easy at all. You need to have destroyed your self-esteem or narrowed your circle humanity or beaten down whatever quality prevents us from preying on others without suffering for it.

Like the call of the void - standing at the edge of a cliff, or behind someone who is, that misty sense of how easy it would be to jump or to push is a warning of a horrible potential that our deeper structures want to make sure we're alert to prevent.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I didn’t know substack has live streaming. Wish I could go back to when I still didn’t know that.

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