Well the other side of the problem is that LLMs will gladly output content which falls under strict license that they don't have permission to duplicate. Especially without providing the original license.

There are credible allegations that the AI companies are not merely scraping publicly available resources, but are also consuming content in violation of the terms of use / copyright law. Like, a site has a robots.txt file that says "no scrapers" and they scrape it anyway. People would be mad about traditional search doing that as well.

Secondly, if a search service scrapes your site and then directs relevant users to it, that's probably fine. Most websites want users to visit. A lot of AI stuff sucks up the content, and then the creators of that content get nothing. No users are sent there. The scraper hitting the site takes resources, and gives nothing back.

Google has also gotten some flak for putting stuff on their own site instead of sending users to the source. Like you do a search and get a snippet on the google page, and you never click through to example.com/cool-stuff. Well, now the owner of example.com/cool-stuff doesn't get the click. If they run ads, they get no credit. If they have metrics, they probably don't see any visitors. If they have like forums, people are less likely to engage.

If the "AI Search" includes links back to the source, that's not perfect either. One, it's kind of excessive to use an LLM to parse text when the origin site is already there and readable. If I search for "population of london", you can just send me to a census website or even wikipedia. You don't need to use a whole ass LLM. Two, as I touched on in the previous paragraph, users are less likely to click through if google is putting the core of the information right there (even if it's not always accurate). It's still lessening traffic to the origin site, and traffic is often the lifeblood of websites.

Lastly, a lot of AI stuff is simply inaccurate or misleading. We've all laughed at the "use glue on your pizza" stuff or the "there are two Rs in 'strawberry'" fuckups. If traditional search was really bad, like you type in "cat food" and you got a webpage that was all jewelry and "buy gold" scams, you'd be annoyed, too. That's more like how search was before old google came about. There were a lot more low effort "SEO" hacks like putting a bunch of keywords in tiny print to fool the search indexer. Now google is the shitty old guard, but they have too much money and power to be easily replaced.

That's just off the top of my head. Scraping for AI isn't the same as scraping to make a searchable index.

This is all true, with one key difference: search results (used to) point you to the actual source. LLMs answer you with that information as if they thought of it, with no attribution. So at least search results have a benefit for the source of indexed content.

the search model is helpful to is all

You answered your own question. The search engine indexes your page to send traffic to you. The AI bot indexes your page to plagiarize your content.

Anecdotally, AI also routinely ignores sites' robots.txt and spoof their agents to try to hide what they're doing. A lot of site owners are complaining about the costs of delivering content to web scrapers. Where search indexes might hit a site every day, some AI bots are running every hour and just wasting their bandwidth.

You likely consented to search crawlers. You didn't consent to having your site slammed by AI bots to regurgitate your site either privately or publicly.

The plagiarism machine indexes for plagiarism.

i find people who "play devils advocate" just unnecessarily exhausting to the cause. If you have a opposing opinion just say it, if not then don't. This is real life and not debate club

i didnt realize this was supposed to be about AI.

I thought it's about data Security and privacy and how there are a bazillion companies online leeching off of your information without your consent.

I'm on board with the criticism of AI, if that means treating companies stealing your data the same.

Would be hilarious if it turned out that Xiaomi was selling authentic indigenous experiences and then just had people pilot a roomba thing in your home looking around.

That said the future is wild when market competition bois down to whether it's the Chinese or the US that gets a better map of my house.