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Also noteworthy that not only are PS5 sales behind PS4, but the PlayStation's competition has almost entirely disappeared, and that hasn't resulted in more PlayStations sold.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In case anyone misread the headline the way I did: The PS5 is selling about the same as the PS4 did at this point in its lifespan. The headline kind of makes it sound like the PS4 is still selling as many consoles as the PS5 today.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that it's selling that well at all, considering how much of this generation has just been remasters of PS4 games.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thats not misreading, thats them not being clear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

On purpose.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Thank you, yes. That's a bad headline.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, this means they sold a lot of PS5s, very surprising. The PS4 was extremely successful

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This generation lacked must play games or technological breakthroughs. It was just kinda... there?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

System based exclusives meaning you might not be able to play a game you want to in the future, expensive subscriptiona needed to play online, push to digital DRM controlled games.. it's almost like consoles killed themselves?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Well the alternative is PC gaming, and building a competitive PC aint cheap. I remember on launch people were building computers with similar performance to the xbone/ps4. But now that entry level dGPUs aren't a thing, and even mid range GPUs are expensive you get fucked either way.

The PS5 is at least powerful on launch. The 4 was on par with like a regular APU.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

It used to be easy to build a PC that was double the performance of a console for the same price. And it was even easier if you sourced slightly used current hardware. Now you’re lucky to get last gen hardware for a decent price used. The market is garbage.

Back in 2014 you could get brand new motherboards for ~$50, where it’s difficult to find any under $150 that provide decent features. I think the most expensive thing at the time was NAND due to flooded factories but everything else was super cheap.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

If you're not too stuck on modern AAA titles, PC gaming is cheap. Possibly the cost of the electricity coming out of the wall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Mini pcs are a thing and they get better every year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I think more and more people have done the math on what your break-even is with a PC up front compared to noncompetitive digital console storefronts, needless forced obsolescence, and subscription fees.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Its not ps5, its ps4 pro pro. They’re the same console and Im tired of pretending otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

This implies the PS5 pro is the PS4 pro pro pro

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Switch ate them all while being 2 generations behind

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

After Nintendo saw how much the Wii succeeded while effectively being a gamecube with motion controls and a DVD drive vs. two "top tier titans", they never bothered again with being at the forefront of tech, which possibly felt like a homecoming, considering the Famicom was kinda underpowered at release, but cheap to produce.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

This is going to piss off some people, but I knew this generation was in trouble when HellDivers became big.

That game isn't hot garbage, per se, but the fact that it got the success it did is a pretty damning indictment of the state of multiplayer shooters.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

PS4 was when xbox users switched over to PlayStation.

PS5 was when PS4 users users switched back to the roots, a PC.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is true for me. I did not buy a ps5, but instead a PC. There are no games on ps5 that I want to play that I cannot play on PC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And the more people do the same the less console exclusives there will be (outside of the Nintendo ecosystem)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

And this coming release will be the first time I'm not going to bother about a new Nintendo console going back to the original. For context, I even like the Virtual Boy. Nintendo has done everything possible to make themselves unlikable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the hardest thing is really going to be GTA6. The reason I bought a PS4 was GTA5. Needing to wait 2 years to play GTA6 on PC will be a tough thing to swing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Just remember that GTAV's performance on PS3/Xbox360 is about how well GTAVI is likely going to run on PS5/Xbox Series X.

We've got a few years until the PC release as PS6 is coming.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This headline would imply that PS4 users are upgrading to PS5 at almost the same rate that they upgraded or moved to the PS4.

Honestly, it's pretty surprising considering the PS4 is still kind of a current console. I'd think a lot of people would be satisfied staying with the PS4 and still getting most of the games that are coming out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's a growing market though.

Xbox one and X/S sales are neck in neck with xbox 360 sales too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wouldn't that imply it's not a growing market anymore?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think the jump is more Covid related than having to do with any of the other consoles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Possible, but the market grew after that as well, while consoles stagnated.

I got a PC in 2020 when PS5 was released for 1200€ at your scalper of choice. So the statistics reflect my own switch perfectly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you already have a PC, no matter how old and shoddy, you will be able to run games on it and become a PC gamer. There was no investment hurdle in 2020, while you need a console to become a console gamer, so you need to buy one first. Most people do have a PC for non gaming uses anyways.

This is also why mobile gaming is so widespread now. People have a phone anyways, so might as well install a game or two on it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

You missed the link I posted, it's PC sales. Why do you insist on your gut feeling when the data suggests otherwise?

Consoles have stagnated, PC sales has increased year over year and also PC gamers have increased year over year. If it would be because of covid, I would expect a Stagnation afterwards.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Im amazed its selling so well considering its pointless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does playstation still dominate international sales? I remember that being a thing for previous generations

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

According to this chart, yes, the PS5 is leading by roughly 40 million units compared to the current XSX

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A used ps4 is probably the best value in gaming right now. For ~$200 you can get the console and a bunch of games.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

You can also jailbreak it, depending on the firmware version

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

The best time to buy a console is just after its sequel is released, lots of people upgrading and selling their old one with all the games and controllers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I always said that about the PS2, or early model PS3s if you can get one for a reasonable price. Backwards compatibility galore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A PS2 with FreeMCBoot is always a great option. If you can get a phat model and stick a HDD there, you're golden

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

This is the first console generation where I bought and sold a console before the next gen came along. I got one of those PS5 emails while they were still somewhat limited, and decided to jump on it like a dumbass. Two years later, sold it to recoup the cost of my Steam Deck. The only real exclusive it has that I played was the Demon's Souls remake, and that just wasn't enough to convince me to keep it around. Looks like the other exclusives I have missed out on since then is...(checks notes)...Astro Bot...and that's it. Oh well.

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