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A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.

Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Why do they still perform such barbaric rites in the 21st century in the first place?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean look who's sitting in the oval office. Science has progressed but most humans have not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yet theyre against mutilating genitals when it comes to trans people.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, the first time I heard of people protesting against "mutilating children's genitals [in North America]", I thought it was a protest against circumcision. I thought, "Wow, we're finally moving society forward!"

...nope. It was backwards again.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In parenting classes in my liberal area, the nurses will say "I'm required to tell you that circumcision has medical benefits". Then they fume how it's based off bad research and cut themselves short. "However it's not like your son will be lined up for a nude photo. You can break the cycle of trauma". I'm lucky to live here.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Genital mutilation should be 100% illegal instead of only applying to girls.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I agree with you fully but there's a discrepancy that needs to addressed. Now, before you get the wrong idea, I'm NOT defending or excusing anybody here. The medical staff and the parents should be held responsible for nearly killing this newborn. Child genital mutilation of any kind should be banned.

Now, with that out the way, Male circumcision and female genital mutilation (or FGM, which is what I believe you're referring to when you say 'only applying to girls') are not directly comparable. Male circumcision typically only removes the foreskin of the penis whereas FGM removes the both the clitoris and labia (I shudder while typing this out). It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.

Again, this sort of thing should be banned and no child should suffer from the decisions they had no say in.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I'm fine with adults mutilating their foreskin, but I want the decision left up to the individual. Having the parents do it when they are a baby leaves the individual with no choice

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.

More like removing the glans and foreskin, but that doesn't make it much better. There are definitely varying degrees of awfulness, but it's all bad.

While there are some truly evil and horrific practices like removing the clitoris or sewing the vulva shut, some female genital mutation is "just" removing the clitoral hood, which is directly analagous to the foreskin.

Most people can agree that this practice is deeply wrong, and that it is still genital mutilation. And so I think categorizing male genital mutilation separately as "circumcision" is downplaying it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'll just say it's very clear you've never seen what a botched circumcision does to a penis. You also don't seem to know the biology of the male genitals very well either if you think it's "just skin".

Why don't we instead focus on "bodily autonomy"? No one should have unnecessary medical procedures done against their will and without their consent. It's a pretty simple rule that applies to everyone and covers most of these issues simply.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Why do parents keep choosing to cut up the genitals of their baby boys?

Is it because the dad had his penis cut up for him, and therefore he must do it to his son because "nothing is wrong with his dick"?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In America at least most people don't really consider it until the kid is born. Then in the post birth rush of things happening someone asks if you want to circumcise your kid. Most Dads will say "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "HE IS BORN OF SIN! We must circumcise him to discourage sinful behavior!"

Most people really don't think too deeply about most things, try not to over think it

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a Jewish person im absolutely ashamed that my people still practice mutilation. When a tradition causes severe medical problems it should not continue.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

It's not even strictly a Jewish thing, as much as it is just an American thing at this point. My parents were only mildly Christian and got me circumcised at the recommendation of the doctor. They didn't really think much about it because being circumcised is just "the norm". My dad is circumcised, and my mom said she wanted to make sure I looked like my father (why she expected me to be catching so many glances of dad-dong in life, I'll never know).

That said, whether or not it should be, a circumcision is still a very routine procedure, so it's kinda astounding that they botched it so badly. Hopefully the kid makes it without any lasting damage.

[–] [email protected] 177 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Stop ~~molesting~~ mutilating children would be my advice.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Circumcision is barbaric and backwards

Religion doesn't get a free pass either. Superstition is no basis for mutilating babies

America is one of the only places in the world that still thinks this disgraceful practice is OK.

All because they followed the ideas of a nutter who made cornflakes...

Shit's fucked

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Any cosmetic body alteration should only be done according to the will of the body-haver.

Poor little guy is brand new to the world and just wants sleep, warmth and food. Instead he gets this 💔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

🥒✂️

Edit : in jest. It's a correction for the wrong body part emoji 💔

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago

At the will of the people who are supposed to be keeping him safe from harm...

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (15 children)

It's ironic because the whole reason I'm even here on lemmy is because I was permabanned from reddit for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they were defending circumcision while claiming female genital mutilation was abhorrent. As if mutilating a penis is perfectly fine but don't dare mutilate a vulva.

I know this isn't the main topic here but it just reminds me that body shaming men is okay but body shaming women isn't. Especially when it comes to sex organs.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Yeah, I love how everyone loves "big dick energy" and "small dick energy", but if someone said "loose pussy energy" and "tight pussy energy" it's practically a hate crime lol.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How about we just stop insulting anyone's genitals instead?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago

That's the point.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

"Days after Cole's birth, doctors placed a stent in him to address a known heart disease he was born with."

I would wager that if the kid has heart disease and a stent, they likely put him on blood thinners as well. Source: Am on blood thinners following a stent.

How much do you want to bet the asshats who suggested circumcision were blissfully unaware of what happens when you cut someone who is on blood thinners?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

I married a woman of jewish descent, she’s not religious in any way though. It was alarming, the amount of people coming up to us and asking us about our child’s dick. Why do people think it’s any of their business? Since they over stepped and asked, I gave them the full answer, complete with how idiotic it is and how anyone who still practices it is a backwards ass religious nut, and how all those other reasons like hygiene are bullshit myths.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But hey, on the plus side, they helped cure him of... I mean prevented... I mean...

What again?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm sure someone will jump in and mention hygiene, like we haven't invented fucking soap some 3000 years ago...

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (13 children)

cut off usefull natural things without consent...win stupid prizes

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unless you’re some religious nut job, there is zero benefit and a lot of harm you can do by circumcising. So stop doing it.

EDIT: I was wrong, there is some medical reasons for the procedure later in life to address problems.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This is a general statement, and not factual. To say there is zero benefit (across the board): wrong. There are benefits, medically, for specific people with issues that warrant it. I had a later-in-life circumcision for medical problems, so I know. To say it is something you should do to a newborn: very wrong. This is something that has a fucked up history, and should only be done when needed (or wanted, I suppose) later in a person's life... of their own choosing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has to be qualified more strongly. Most of the medical benefits of circumcision are apparent only after puberty. There is no medical reason to circumsize a baby.

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