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i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.

i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.

and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn't deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!

ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.

idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Their experience of communism is not the same as your version and experience of communism. If you happen to dismiss their experience by saying it wasn’t really communism, you will get a punch in the face because for them, it was a very real, grim reality they had to go through. And the lies of capitalism are very alluring.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People will always have a spread of opinions, and "I really like how my country works, and I think capitalism is silly, I think I'll leave and move to the USA" seems like it's probably an uncommon train of thought.

Even if you did, it's pretty human to rationalise post-hoc that you didn't waste your life migrating to a shitty country.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

First of all, it isn't everyone. I know a Chinese immigrant who is awesome and one of the best communists I've ever met.

Secondly, in general it is because those are the people who left and so even if someone is leaving due to general poverty and not "Castro took my daddy's slaves", they are likely going to end up in a community of deprived slavers, so the Cuban community in America is going to just be shit. It doesn't help that the proud Cubans in America were likely to be considered spies and attacked by various means during the Cold War.

That's a specific example, but I think one can abstract from it well enough.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism

Do you think anyone moving to the USA knows and respects those values? If they did, they wouldn't be going there...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I think there is a section of immigration forms to the US where you have to say you are not a communist or they won’t let you in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

multiple factors: -Low cost of living -Potential market that are not yet exploited (see private sector or real estate (with loopholes) in China and Vietnam) -Social conservatism -Certain white worshipping

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

They’re the people who were so greedy/right wing/religious zealots/psychotic that they left and came to America. What do you expect?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

The USA is the land of opportunity (to siphon dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people's paychecks into your bank account)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US attracts a lot of foreign chuds, but so does every other developed country. Every right-wing shithead I knew moved to the US or Canada. The more liberal "girlboss" types moved to Europe and leftists either moved to NYC or LA with the rest going to Mexico.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Because they actually experienced life in both worlds and know what they prefer based on actual experience.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I assume that true collectivists are less likely to immigrate.

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