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I really mean this. Most of the time its embarrassing as fuck what they thought going in. Literally, "I thought it would be a dystopian totalitarian nightmare where everyone walked around like zombies." It's just amazing to me to see how much people buy into the propaganda they are told. You didn't have a single nugget of skepticism on that nonsense, homey?

Or, "OMG I did not expect to see [restaurant] here!" Yeah, it's a modern, thriving economy which by most measures that actually try and compare it fairly to the west puts it well ahead of America. You think some western companies would try and break into that market?

Another good one is, "I can't believe how nice everyone was!" This one is wild to me because it's an accidental admission to racism. "I thought the Chinese man would be duplicitous and suspicious of me as is the nature of his ilk!" Fuck off. I would suspect that almost anywhere in the world you go as a tourist most people either won't pay you much mind or be kind to you as the average person is generally fairly kind and welcoming. Or they want to sell you something because they make a living off tourists. There are exceptions, like the French who will treat you like shit and also try to sell you something while doing it, but otherwise this is true almost anywhere.

Oh and don't forget the final thoughts segment where they have to add in a caveat that of course you can't really trust anything any of the people from China say about their country or it's political situation because obviously they must be frightened that secret CCP agents will jump out of the shadows as soon as the travel vlogger walks away and take the poor Chinese citizen to a political re-education camp. Though, I admit that this sentiment is at least dying down and you don't see it as much.

Obviously these are the extremes but in all seriousness the travel videos of white people going to China and being blown away by it's progress are overall pretty based and it's nice to see the bubble of western propaganda being popped even if it's the most ridiculous liberals who are doing it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

"I can't believe how nice everyone was!"

Tbh it would be pretty amazing to me too to see people not being wantonly heartless to anyone they havent known for years like is the norm in england

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There are exceptions, like the French who will treat you like shit and also try to sell you something while doing it, but otherwise this is true almost anywhere.

I think this is a huge part of it, Europeans tend to be much less pleasant towards tourists than people in other parts of the world, and because they are "superior" they assume that their behaviour is better than everywhere else's.

I really want to travel to China myself, I have a few friends who fell for a lot of the anti-China propaganda, and I would love to be able to tell them directly to their face how wrong they were and how wonderful China is, and encourage them to visit and see for themselves. But it's too expensive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Being assholes to tourists is praxis. As soon as you step foot in another country for fun you become an annoyance to all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

Nah, if someone comes to your country to learn about your culture and history and try to understand you better, you treat them with respect and kindness. You only treat a tourist like shit if they act like an entitled shithead and your country is there to entertain them personally.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the "wow everyone is nice" has another angle coming from a USian. Especially if they're from a big city where people tend to ignore each other.

Yeah, most people here will stop and help you if you ask. They might smile and say 'hello' depending where you are. But no, people will not usually invite a tourist out to dinner, into their home, to a random activity, etc.

All of that I experienced when I was in China, from people who were genuine and not trying to scam me or something.

They expect that same level of disinterest in every other country they go to and are genuinely surprised that people seem to want to interact with them and show them hospitality in any fashion.

I had an entire bus of people arguing about how best to get me to my destination when I was lost in the city.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

That's a good observation. I think in many cases that is it. In some it is westerners literally believing the worst about Chinese people. In some cases it could be a little of both.

When he is talking about Chinese people and North Koreans being nice in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSb6tSA-TdQ which do you think it is? [Big Sinophobia warning for that video, btw]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I watched the whole thing and I think this guy is a jerk. I think that's part of the bit in that he sells himself as a typical ignorant US tourist, but it seems like that's how he also just is. When I thought he might be having a moment of introspection, it was about how 'sad' the presumed North Korean women he met were. As his misconceptions about China are fading away through his interactions, he's still holding onto his conception of North Korea as he admits he only really knows what US media tells him. And he's still making snide comments about China as he's having polite interactions with strangers two minutes before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 24 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Good post but could you CW this for racism? Just gets exhausting to read about this stuff sometimes..... ppl should be able to opt out

[–] [email protected] 23 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

no problem added a sinophobia warning

[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Do you have any examples you can share?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

So in defense of westerners it IS getting better than it was even 5 years ago but I don't keep a list saved anywhere. Lemme look and find some shit.

Let's start off with one that's fun... this dude is making a video to showcase China to a western audience. He's impressed and wants you to see modern Shenzen and be impressed, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuI3HoHA5nQ

The thing is that you know that he is explaining it to the western ethos and when you think about this tone it is kind of ridiculous that westerners would need this sort of tone to be able to understand that yes, Shenzen, China's technology hub, is actually a city of the future right now.

Compare that to this video from and Indian point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVjfpr0j6Yw

That part I find interesting. The tone and what they focus on.

Here's one where these people seem nice but they are sooooo western-brained.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5FtjD2I8es

Don't get me wrong, it looks like a fun trip. Going to a park and riding a roller coaster seems dope. But I don't think it let's you "experience what daily life is like" for the people there like she opens that segment in. Like, what? In the middle part when she shares her thoughts she says the city is nothing like any she's visited while standing in a section that looks like any major city you might see anywhere else in the west.

Or her talking about being "warned" about cameras on every corner. Lady, you live in the UK. That's London. Of course she immediately follows that up with the "everyone is so friendly" thing I was talking about. It's Shanghai and you are being a polite tourist. Like I was saying, people almost everywhere love a good guest. Then immediately follows it with "They have SEPHORA!"

So this isn't China but Cuba but I want to highlight the last thing I said about westerners thinking nobody can talk to them honestly about their countries government and politics because they think an evil communist agent is going to steal them away the moment the westerner leaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjrONPoSIY

He literally starts his video out with this strange diatribe. And then there is this entire video of his....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cflJ7xlnu7c

Just complete and total burger-brain. I know I'm moving away from China here but I don't have any videos I recall specifically regarding China from years ago that are this bad but I did recall these ones about Cuba from Rare Earth because they are so particularly egregious.

I do recall a video from about 5 years ago from Xianjing for a western travel blogger and all the comments on the video were like, "that guy standing there on the corner is Chinese special police ensuring no westerners move away from the main market area" and "you are so blind you don't see the handlers all around you." So the treavel vlogger returns a few months later and goes way off the beaten path and addresses the previous comments and of course they were saying, "well the CCP knows about you so they made sure that this area was curated for your audience" along with the obvious "how much did the CCP pay you for this propaganda." I really wish I could find those two videos they were absolutely wild due to the comments.

[–] bdonvr 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I went to Cuba and people weren't afraid to talk politics. Several of the people in Havana asking for money called the government shit but maybe because they were expecting the American to be anti-communist and build sympathy dunno.

Had many good chats about how Cuba doesn't have the houseless/drug epidemic and shit healthcare the US does, but contrasted with struggles that they do face like power outages, limited supplies, and limited job choice. Complex situation for sure. (And it's all America's fault)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Appreciate it! I was asking because I also wanted to laugh at the burger brain. The comment about surveillance is hilarious as London is the most CCTV’d city in the world lmao.

When I lived in the UK a posh white guy told me he went travelling in China because, verbatim, “no one had ever really been there before”…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'm excited to watch all these. Saving this thread for sure. Thanks for all the links!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSb6tSA-TdQ

Just remembered this one! It's new I say it like 2 days ago. Absolutely peak burger-brain.

Also big Content Warning the Sinophobia and ignorance here is pretty off the charts. I know his schtick is being an ignorant westerner but still.... it's bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I am also interested in this slop :3 Seems kinda hilarious lol

I guess it's nice to see if it leads insulated white imperial core libs to some better worldview but also... yeah agony-deep, they shouldn't have to go to China to figure out that human beings live there

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago

Just did a big response to the comment above you. Honestly if you just want to watch this slop as '2nd monitor content' just search for "FIRST TIME IN CHINA" on the ole 'Tube. Tons of videos on it and most these days are decent. The western brain is getting better, I think. Over the years I've found myself wanting more and more to visit China so I've seen plenty of this. It's one of my bucket list travel destinations: Chongqing, Shanghai, as well as Cuba, Vietnam, Nairobi mostly. One day I'll make an itinerary and hit those places with some surrounding destinations.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can't believe how nice everyone was!

I said that about Chicago the first time I visited

[–] [email protected] 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Could you elaborate? I hear this sentiment a lot, from family even, and it is often rooted in racist suburbanite ideas about who lives in big cities :/

It's especially weird hearing it about my own city lol

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago

Sometimes it’s just about hearing about other places only through crime-obsessed news as well. Not just a rural/urban/suburban divide. Like I live in a small city that most people from actual cities would just call a town. But legally it’s a city. And people from a neighboring city often come here terrified because they expect it to be crime ridden. I once told a guy at a concert he was allowed to go outside to smoke and he was like, “what, I won’t get stabbed?” Even coming from people in other cities, there’s just something othering that happens there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Not about urbanism vs suburbanism, just about the dichotomy between the average person you meet on the street or buss or train in New York vs Chicago

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I remember asking a guy in the subway in NYC a question about which line took me to some place and he just said, "What do I look like? A map?" and walked off. It was like a cartoon. I been in Chicago now for 12 years and have never experienced anything like that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Chicago seems like a good place to live

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Alrightt, I have heard this before but it's hard for me to notice cuz I haven't had the opportunity to travel much :/

I feel like ppl do often build up some kind of "protective shell" around them in American cities sometimes, just cuz you do have to be on guard for ppl trying to take advantage of you and since in the US we have so far mostly excluded the possibility of some kind of collective effort to help each other (at least in the minds of many people), everyone is on their own :(

I just wanted to ask cuz OP seemingly called you a lib and I wanted to see what you meant, no offense intended if any was read

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

None taken, thanks for the follow-up

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago

liberal moment